Elijah List Testimony – How I Worked 7 Years to Deceive You

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Working for a Prophetic Hub of Deception

Between the years 2001-2008, I was the webmaster for the Elijah List, one of the largest distributors of false prophecy for the prophetic movement. During this time, I learned some very difficult, yet beneficial, lessons about God, the prophetic movement and life in general. What’s more, I witnessed “first hand” the deception that goes on behind the scenes in what was (arguably) the most popular prophetic email ministry of the time.

If you read the following posts, you will gain insight into:

These posts have angered some who are neck-deep in the modern day prophetic movement (especially those who are profiting from it) and they have been a confirmation to others who knew that something was off all along.

Elijah List Journey

A Journey into the Prophetic Unknown

As of this writing (Feb 2011), it has been about 3 years since I ended my employment with the Elijah List.

It started around the year 2000. I was working for Hewlett-Packard and I learned through the grapevine of this daily email newsletter that published prophecies to around 30,000 people. This was back in Elijah List’s “text-only” days, where you received only 1 email per day. At the time, I was going to a Word of Faith church and I had a very strong foundation in the Word of God. Still, I knew that there was another element in my walk with God that I wasn’t experiencing yet. I longed for the reality of His presence … to actually SEE the working of God and to KNOW and EXPERIENCE Him more.

As I daily studied the words that I received from the Elijah List, this desire grew. I grew dissatisfied and frustrated with the church I was attending. “They just don’t GET IT!” I told myself. So I determined in my heart that I would find out where I could learn about this “New Thing” that God was doing and my family and I would be there when God showed up!

At the time, I was listening to our local Christian radio station, and they had an hour where they would play worship music from Vineyard, Morningstar, RevivalNow, etc. Having been exposed to Maranatha, Hosanna Integrity, Ron Kenoly and Hillsong in the 80’s and 90’s, this new style of worship music just sent me soaring. I would sit at my computer and just weep, longing for the intimacy with Jesus that they sang about. The only church in our area that played this kind of music in their services was the Vineyard (now Jesus Pursuit), the home church of Steve Shultz and most of the people who worked for the Elijah List at the time. As soon as I found this out, I said “goodbye” to my family at the Word of Faith church and started going to the Vineyard.

I didn’t know what I was getting into.

From Joblessness to Ministry

After going to the new church for a couple weeks, I found myself suddenly unemployed. I’m a person who gets really antsy (and annoying) when I don’t have anything to do, so I set out to find a new job as soon as possible.

One Sunday morning, I bumped into Steve and told him how much I appreciated the Elijah List and that, since I had some spare time on my hands, I could help him out with some computer and web work, if he needed it. Long story short – Steve Shultz hired me on at about the same rate I would have made on unemployment.

That’s when things started to unravel.

My First Prophetic Conference

After I worked at Elijah List for a few months, I attended my first Elijah List prophetic conference at the Vineyard. I know that Bob Jones, Larry Randolph and a guy named Ed Traut (who was later removed from Elijah List’s links page for some unnamed indiscretion) were some of the speakers. (There were a few more, but they don’t come to mind.)

During the conference, the extravagant worship and manifestations were in full effect. People were moving, twitching and making various noises in every corner of the building. Although I thought it strange that the worship was way more extreme than your typical Sunday morning at the Vineyard, I didn’t raise the question because I didn’t feel qualified to ask. In my mind, I was just a web guy, not a prophet or one with authority.

After spending a few years going to this church and attending these prophetic conferences, I noticed a pattern emerge, where the worship would grow in intensity and volume during a conference where a big-name prophet headlined, and then it would die down again once the conference was over.

I was really amazed at how idolized these prophets were in the eyes of the conference go-ers. They sat literally wide-eyed and drinking in every word that came from the prophet’s mouth like it was the absolute truth. Even people who worked for the Elijah List were treated with some degree of idolatry. People came up to us and shook our hands saying things like, “Oh you’re so lucky to be able to work in that anointed atmosphere all the time!” They would hang out and ask us questions incessantly and make it really difficult to work (although the appreciation did give us a boost).

I even had one guy come up to me and beg me to lay hands on him and impart a “webmaster anointing,” so that he could do what I did (which really wasn’t much, talent-wise). I told him that it wasn’t an anointing, but that he should just study books and learn the code. But he was insistent, so not wanting to upset him, I laid my hands on him and said a short, polite prayer. From his reaction, you would think that I had shocked him with a cattle prod! He did a few shakes and twitches and hit the floor. I walked off laughing, kind of embarrassed by the whole spectacle.

Let me take a small side road: for the record, I am NOT against supernatural manifestations. Believe me, when God (the Creator of the Universe) touches dirt (you and me), something is going to move. But if God touches us, there is going to be a change, a transformation, or a healing of SOME sort. These people who “manifest” outwardly without becoming more and more like Him are NOT under the influence of the Holy Spirit (it’s another kind of spirit). I’ve known more than one person like this, who can twitch in the middle of Walmart but has the personality of a troll. They can claim to be in tune with God all they want, but if the fruit of their lives speaks otherwise, they are deceived (or lying).

Elijah List - First Impressions Crumble

First Impressions Crumble as Web Traffic Increases

Many of the following things I report here happened simultaneously. It is difficult to get it all chronologically correct, so I ask that you bear with me. Life was somewhat of a blur during my time at the Elijah List, but I am going to do my best to be as precise as possible.

After the Twin Towers fell on 9/11, traffic to the Elijah List site, as well as subscriptions to the Elijah List newsletter, increased dramatically and as a result, so did the workload. I was on call 24 hours a day for a few years after that and, although I did get paid for my labor, the demand from Steve (the founder of the Elijah List) was completely unreasonable. If he called and I didn’t drop what I was doing immediately and fulfill his request(s), I knew I would get a guilt trip in my email before the day’s end. I even remember one day that I was in the shower bathing my dog, covered in dirt and hair, when he called wanting me to check something on the website. I asked him to wait 10 minutes so that I could get cleaned off, and he had the nerve to get upset about it because I didn’t “jump.”

This kind of behavior was a continuous problem throughout the 7 years and it didn’t just affect me, but other Elijah List workers as well. Along with other types of mind games, I was called “rebellious” and “insubordinate” on a regular basis. I found this very strange, because all of my prior bosses felt that I had been very easy to get along with, and that I followed orders very well! In fact, my boss from my subsequent job asked me, “Where is your confidence? You don’t speak up and you act like what you have to say has no value.” I literally had to re-learn how to become a contributing part of a normal work discussion. The emotional and spiritual beat-down of the prior 7 years at the Elijah List had left me demoralized, timid and quite pathetic.

Marital Issues

Obviously, working in these circumstances put a strain on my personal life, as well as on my marriage. I began drinking a lot and being verbally and emotionally abusive to my wife and kids. I’m not going to point the finger and blame Elijah List for all of my personal troubles; a man will stand by his own decisions and actions, but I do know that a man’s job can affect all areas of his life… I guess I’ll just let it rest at that.

I just thank God for His mercy to me. When I came to my senses and realized how I had been treating my wife and children, I sat my wife down and profusely apologized to her for how I had taken her for granted and spoken so abusively to her; tears welled up in her eyes. She told me that she had been planning to leave me that very day, but because I repented, she would stay. We have been inseparable ever since (we’ve been married 17 years now), and I still love her (and my kids) to pieces.

Believe it or not, I don’t have an offense against Steve – I’ve forgiven him. But in my opinion, if someone who preaches grace and mercy from a pulpit and (from his own mouth) bases his entire ministry on it, he needs to walk accordingly in “real life.” If you speak of grace and mercy from a podium, and yet are rude, obsessive and controlling of your employees, your behavior reeks of hypocrisy and is a far cry from the grace that you preach (more on this “grace” later).

A New Look

At about this time, I noticed that companies, businesses and other web entities started to come out with HTML-based emails. This would give more of an aesthetic value (structure, images, color) to an otherwise drab text-based email. Wanting to keep up with the trend, I did some research and came up with my own simple template for the Elijah List newsletter, hoping to give the readers something nicer to look at. There was even a small right-hand column to put special notes, links and maybe an ad or 2 to help increase income.

The very same day that I created the modest template, I was told by Steve to take advantage of every available space and fill it with product ads. Knowing that this would do nothing to improve public perception of the Elijah List, I was very disappointed. But, despite the fact that we had many negative emails from subscribers who didn’t like the change, income actually did increase dramatically. In my opinion, at this time, an increased income began to be perceived by Steve and others as proof of God’s favor. Within a few months, we were sending out 3-4 emails per day, peppered with ads in every available space – only 1 of which would contain any “word” from God.

Mammon and the Fear of Man

With the increase in subscribers and the increased income came an increase of contacts with other “prophetic” people who wanted the Elijah List to release their words to the burgeoning Elijah List audience. As a result of exposure through the Elijah List, the prophetic people could (potentially) increase their web traffic and, if they had written a book or had a teaching/music CD, increase their income as well. As a result, the product inventory grew immensely and Elijah List sales skyrocketed proportionately.

But along with the increased contacts and income came the fear of man – in epidemic proportions, and just like the Bible said, it brought a snare (Proverbs 29:25). Wanting to keep the income steady, and wanting to stay in our contributors’ (the other “prophetic” ministers) and the public’s good graces, most publishing decisions were based upon our relationships with these people and the public perception of their product… whether or not it sold well.

Occasionally, a contributor would send us a word with content that didn’t necessarily jibe with the Elijah List’s “encouraging words only” philosophy. In a desperate attempt to try to cling to that faulty reasoning, Steve would have to write introductions (sometimes 3-4 paragraphs long) to the words, to play down the corrective/repentance-based elements of those emails. There would usually be efforts to direct people to God’s softer side. Occasionally, certain offending sentences in the submission would be completely reworded, prior to release.

These subtle (and sometimes flagrant) manipulations would usually upset the contributors, especially the more idealistic ones.

The last time I checked the Bible, a prophet was told not to regard man’s opinion and give the Word of God… undiluted.

It became clear to me that, during this phase, the focus had shifted. Mammon and the fear of man had become the gods of the Elijah List. I say this because, from what I experienced, every effort was made to make more money and to please man. Words were released based upon the popularity of the contributors and the profit to be made on the products they sold – not on the truthfulness or relevance the words held.

The Bible says in Galatians 1:10 that you cannot please man and be a bondservant of Christ. It also says in Matthew 6:24 that you cannot serve both God and Mammon. It’s impossible to have love for both… you MUST love one and despise the other.

Let me be clear… I don’t feel that it’s automatically wrong to make money – even in a ministry. People need to pay their bills and the staff. It’s when money becomes the “main thing” that God’s heart is grieved. When you come to a point where your ministry becomes all about the money, you need to question 1) your personal walk with God and 2) whether or not it is God’s will for your ministry to exist at all.

Elijah List - Todd Bentley

My Experience with Todd Bentley

After I was employed by the Elijah List for about a year, I had my first exposure to Todd Bentley. Although Todd was fiery and charismatic in front of an audience, on a personal level (from what I could tell) he seemed to be a very insecure person. He wasn’t used to the notoriety that had been thrust upon him, but he definitely enjoyed it.

Over the course of time, Todd asked Steve if he wanted to send one of his (Steve’s) employees on a mission trip to Uganda with Fresh Fire Ministries (Todd Bentley’s ministry). Steve suggested to me that I should go, and even generously offered to pay for the trip and my wages while I was gone. At first, I was reluctant to go (I have never felt called to Africa), but after much prodding from Steve and my co-workers, I decided to go ahead and go.

To this day, the Uganda trip is still somewhat of a big “question mark” to me – I don’t know why God sent me, or if it wasn’t God at all, but a man-made decision. I did make a few connections with people who are still very dear to me to this day, but overall, it was a very strange experience. Although I have no proof one way or another, it seems like plans were made on the fly and there were a couple of times where my life was in danger (or so I was told).

One night, when my partner and I were out in the middle of the people praying for them individually, Dave Bentley (Todd’s Dad) started screaming at me from the stage “Kevin… GO! GO! GO! GO!” So I grabbed my partner and we ran for the bus.

The next morning, he (Dave) told me that he had seen 2 people in Muslim caps coming toward us with spears. Needless to say, I was a little shaken up, so that morning I wrote Steve and asked for prayer. At the time, my wife didn’t have email or a cell phone, so I was hoping that perhaps my boss could contact her, but that didn’t happen. I learned later that he had immediately converted my prayer request to a post (since deleted from the archives) and sent it out as a prayer request to the Elijah List. That wasn’t so bad, but my wife did not hear about my situation until a friend of hers had read the post and had come over to console her.

During the trip, we were told that 2-3000 people gave their lives to Jesus, which would be great news, normally. But from what I experienced when I talked with the people, they were still unwilling to give up their charms, idols, etc… or their ancestor worship. Like most American Christians, they wanted Jesus to be one of their gods, instead of their only object of worship.

After we got back, Todd Bentley lied (from the pulpit) to the Vineyard church and said that an even GREATER number of salvations, healings, and miracles took place than actually occurred (no I don’t remember the exact number he said, but it was way higher than what we were told). When I asked him later why he gave that figure, he said that more numbers came in from people who were listening to the radio and television.

I thought, “Can that many people afford radios and televisions in third world countries?” But, once again, I didn’t speak out because I didn’t feel it was my place to question “God’s prophet.’

Todd Bentley – Revival, the Divorce, the Cover-up

After the controversial Lakeland Revival and Todd Bentley’s subsequent divorce from his wife, the church was quick to point the finger at him and accuse him… and I’m in agreement – a man leaving his wife and kids is a tragedy. For that same man to re-marry and be reinstated to ministry within a little over a year should be an outrage.

But the church has to understand that it is just as much their fault as Todd Bentley’s that all of this went down.

We have been trained for generations to look to man for our guidance instead of to God. In essence, we are re-living the scenario in Exodus 19-20, where the children of Israel were in front of Mount Sinai and God was offering personal, one-on-one communication with each and every one of them. The conditions were clear – Israel was to sanctify themselves (separate themselves from all things unclean). But when Israel heard this and saw the awesome fire of God burning on Mount Sinai, they basically said, “No, that’s OK, you just talk to Moses, and we’ll listen to him.”

It’s the same today – rather than separating ourselves from the sin in our lives and separating ourselves from the world, we would rather listen to somebody spoon-feed a message to us and be satisfied with half-digested crumbs. To this day, God is longing for those who will forsake this life and become an enemy of this world’s system. Anyone who would be called a “friend of God” must do this (James 4:4). He is more than willing to give us pure, fresh revelation from heaven, if we would only look to Him. But instead we desire and pursue the latest conference, the newest book or the next worship CD.

We’ll grasp at anything and everything to fill the void in our lives with a flesh substitute, even if it means taking a young, immature Christian, who may (or may not) have had an encounter with God and sticking him behind a pulpit. Being attracted to the new show, we reject God’s best (personal communication)… and then pay the consequences.

And once again, the name of Jesus is mocked among the ungodly.

I was shocked that Rick Joyner was so quick to put Todd Bentley right back in front of a camera and into the limelight. But he, as well as all the other “prophetic elders” who had commissioned/anointed Todd Bentley only a short time before were (and still are) in damage control mode. In a sense, John Arnott, Rick Joyner, Peter Wagner, Stacey Campbell, Paul Cain and the others put their prophetic reputations on the line when they appeared on the stage with Todd to pray for and prophesy over him. But after this blunder, their credibility with the church took a hit, and they had to try to bandage the wound. A few tried to explain away the transgression and stress the idea that we need to have grace for Todd in this situation (meaning we should accommodate and/or forget about it), and others were strangely silent. But Rick didn’t waste any time in putting him in front of a camera, offering a token apology (with his new wife in tow).

I am all for forgiveness, restoration and grace… but in a year’s time? Something is definitely wrong with this scenario. Don’t tell me that a young minister can:

  • conquer the selfishness it took to leave his wife and children;
  • conquer the lust it took to seek out another young woman;
  • re-prioritize his life so that God is first, family is next and ministry third;
  • conquer the need for man’s approval;
  • and do away with any other obstacle that could hinder the work of God in his life… in a year’s time (give or take).

I’m not buying it, and you are a fool, if you do.

The bottom line is this – Todd Bentley is a money maker. He’s flamboyant, edgy, very entertaining and controversial… EACH of those traits will draw an audience, all by itself. And if you have an audience, its members will come to the $100 conferences and buy the $20 books and CD’s. It’s really that simple. If Todd Bentley were a minister with no tattoos, a small following and a more traditional preaching style, you would be amazed at how quickly he would be swept under the rug and forgotten about.

Elijah List - Dismantling the Wall of Deception

Dismantling the Wall of Deception

Leadership in the prophetic movement, including the Elijah List, has constructed a cleverly crafted wall of deception that has kept them above accountability and immune from criticism and reproach. This wall of deception is built on the misinterpretation and misapplication of Matthew 7:1-5 (“Judge not, lest ye be judged…”) and other verses like them.

As a result, no one is able point out the facts when the prophets are doing anything wrong. If someone should mention that they see anything wrong with the behavior or deeds of a particular prophet, he/she is immediately accused of not walking in love, and reproved that they should give grace to the prophet.

They’re also told that they shouldn’t judge, because they do not want to be judged in like manner… that they should remove the plank from their own eye, rather than point out someone else’s faults. And because it’s really easy to put these leaders on a pedestal (in essence, “idolizing” them), it’s really easy for most people to swallow this reasoning and to ignore the sin.

This dynamic also carries over into our (the church’s) relationships with each other. We’re all afraid to say anything about the sin in each other’s lives because we don’t want to be perceived as judgmental or mean. Because of this fear, sin in the body goes unchecked and actually thrives!

Why do you think our divorce, abortion, porn use, and drug abuse statistics are equal to the worlds? Because no one fights for purity, holiness, or the Holy Spirit’s fire in our congregations! Do you know that witches and satanists can actually come into our houses of worship and feel comfortable? God, have mercy on us!

The following verses are conveniently downplayed and/or ignored by the prophets and their followers:

1 Corinthians 6:3
Do you not know that we shall judge angels? How much more, things that pertain to this life?

This verse allows us to discern/judge issues concerning this life.

1 Corinthians 6:5
I say this to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you, not even one, who will be able to judge between his brethren?

This verse allows us to judge issues between brethren.

1 Corinthians 11:31
For if we would judge ourselves, we would not be judged.

This verse allows us to judge the sin in our own lives.

To Rebuke, or NOT to Rebuke?

Not only does the Bible say we are to judge behavior/issues, it also gives us permission to REBUKE!

Luke 17:3
Take heed to yourselves. If your brother sins against you, rebuke him; and if he repents, forgive him.

This verse allows us to rebuke our brother/sister who is in sin.

1 Timothy 5:20
Those who are sinning rebuke in the presence of all, that the rest also may fear.

This verse allows us to rebuke an ELDER who is in sin (read context Scriptures for backup).

2 Timothy 4:2
Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching.

This verse allows us rebuke as a vital part of our preaching!

Titus 2:15
Speak these things, exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no one despise you.

This verse allows us to rebuke with authority!

Most ministries associated with the Elijah List, the prophetic church, and much of the rest of the church, can’t stand it when you bring up these Scriptures, because then the possibility of exposed sin creeps its way into their “salvation equation.”

The weirdest thing is, they want to keep the sin hidden, and yet they wonder why they are some of the most battered, bruised and confused people in the church.

I experienced it too!

During my 7 years at the Elijah List, I had never experienced such defeat, sickness and confusion in my whole life!

Whenever one experiences this, they are told that they are just experiencing spiritual warfare… that it’s the enemy’s fault they are experiencing this trauma.

That sounds great to a carnal mind – I mean, after all… who wants to take the blame?

The Cry of Wisdom

Wisdom would say something else, though. In Proverbs 1:22-31, Wisdom is crying (listen to her!):

Proverbs 1:22-31
How long, you simple ones, will you love simplicity? For scorners delight in their scorning, and fools hate knowledge. Turn at my rebuke; surely I will pour out my spirit on you; I will make my words known to you.

Because I have called and you refused, I have stretched out my hand and no one regarded, because you disdained all my counsel, and would have none of my rebuke, I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your terror comes, when your terror comes like a storm, and your destruction comes like a whirlwind, when distress and anguish come upon you.
Then they will call on me, but I will not answer; they will seek me diligently, but they will not find me. Because they hated knowledge and did not choose the Fear of the LORD, they would have none of my counsel and despised my every rebuke. Therefore they shall eat the fruit of their own way, and be filled to the full with their own fancies.

That’s not to say that spiritual warfare doesn’t happen; we ARE in a war with spirit beings (Ephesians 6:12). But the Bible is clear that He will protect those who walk in the fear of the Lord, and that the battle will be a victorious one, not a continual excuse for the consequences of poor behavior and decisions.

It is clear, the North American church must re-introduce judging and rebuke (based upon the Word of God) back into our “christian culture,” post-haste. If we do not clean our houses, God will come and clean house for us, and it will not be a pleasant thing.

When John Crowder can introduce “huffing the baby Jesus” as a means of getting spiritual jollies, it’s time to set a standard.

Well, What About Jesus’ Words?

I’m not going to ignore Matthew 7:1-5. Jesus DID say, “Judge not, lest you be judged” but it doesn’t mean what you’ve been taught! Let’s take a look at these Scriptures in detail.

Judge not, that you be not judged. For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you. And why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, “Let me remove the speck from your eye”; and look, a plank is in your own eye? Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

I clumped all the verses together to help assist us in understanding that this is one continuous thought. This passage does not tell us NOT to judge. The main idea is that we shouldn’t judge someone if we have the same issue in our lives, otherwise we will be judged by the same standard and found to be hypocrites. If we repent of the sin and no longer have it clouding our vision, we are in a place to be able to effectively help remove the sin from our brother.

If we’re not supposed to judge, why would Jesus even give us the option to “see clearly” and “remove the speck”?

Hopefully by now, you see that when they use the phrase “Judge not, lest you be judged” to keep you from exposing sin, they are taking this Scripture completely out of context. The Word says in Ephesians 5:11, “And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them.” So if you see something, say something!

Elijah List Testimony - The Mortar in the Wall

Does the Prophetic Movement Preach Grace or Licentiousness?

If the wall of deception is the misuse of judgment-based Scriptures, then the misuse of the term “grace” is the mortar that holds it together. Grace is a very nebulous term in prophetic circles, and is used to replace mercy or covering sin, in most conversations.

According to Steve Shultz, the Elijah List’s whole philosophy and foundation revolves around this perversion of grace. But when you listen to him preach about grace, usually you walk away with a skewed understanding of it. The main idea is that we should be nice to people because God loves them, and after all, He was nice to you, so you need to do likewise. This isn’t necessarily a wrong idea, but this isn’t biblical grace, and it also plays into the mindset of not judging anyone’s actions, thereby strengthening the wall of deception.

Let’s see what the Word says about grace:

Titus 2:11-15
For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men, teaching us that, (1) denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, (2) we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age, (3) looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, (4) who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from every lawless deed and purify for Himself His own special people, zealous for good works. Speak these things, exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no one despise you.

So, from the verses above, I know that if you preach a message of biblical grace, you need to be teaching a few things:

  • Deny ungodliness and worldly lusts;
  • Live soberly and righteously in the present age;
  • Look for Jesus’ return;
  • (from v. 14) Be aware of His work on the cross and how He sought a pure and holy people.

We Must Preach the Message of Grace with Authority!

What’s more, the message is to be preached (spoken, exhorted, rebuked) with authority. You will not find the above concepts being taught in most grace messages these days. Unfortunately, what you’ll mostly hear about is more along the lines of “mercy” and how God wants to be your buddy. And to a church culture with itching ears, this is wonderful news! Because Jesus is their buddy, they won’t have to live righteously! They won’t have to live soberly!

God has GRACE for all of those things! As a result, licentiousness (unrestrained flesh/license) reigns supreme in our lives.

False Prophets Prophesy without Accuracy

In the Old Testament, inaccurate prophets were punishable by death. Thankfully, we don’t live under that threat today, but as a result, many prophesy inaccurate prophecies and are not held responsible if their prophecies don’t come to pass.

Just go to any prophetic conference or do a small search through the Elijah List and you will see/hear yearly prophecies of revival and breakthrough in many major cities in the United States and around the world. This has been predicted for years… and yet, where is it?

If even 10% of these prophecies came true, you would’ve heard about it. They also prophesy these things over the body of Christ as a whole, but we have yet to experience this.

Do I believe in revival, blessing and outpouring? Absolutely! But I believe they put the cart before the horse.

Do I believe a prophet can make a mistake? Yes, definitely! But when a prophet has a continuous bad record, he/she needs to come clean and say “I didn’t hear God” or at least “I made a mistake.” Unfortunately, instead of coming clean, the “prophets” will debate about God’s timing vs. our timing… or, if all else fails, they fall back on the Scripture that says “We know in part and prophesy in part.”

Of course we only know and prophesy “in part,” we are not God. But when the prophetic track record is so abysmally low, we really need to stop taking cheap escape routes, humble ourselves and ask if we’re truly hearing from God.

The prophets in the Old and New Testaments knew exactly what they were supposed to say and would stand behind their messages to the death, and some DID die. They were so sure of their prophecies that they stamped them each with a bright, bold “thus saith the Lord!”

Nowadays, new prophets are instructed NOT to say “thus saith the Lord” JUST IN CASE they’re making a mistake. Where’s the faith in that?

In Jeremiah 23:21-22, God tells the prophet a vital characteristic of true prophecy:

I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran. I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied. But if they had stood in My counsel, and had caused My people to hear My words, Then they would have turned them from their evil way and from the evil of their doings.

The end result of all prophecy should be God’s people repenting… turning their hearts back to God.

Nowadays, teachings on third heaven experiences, the glory realm and breakthrough are labeled as prophecy. Do you see how even our definition of prophecy has become man-centered?

False Prophets Can be Discerned by Their Fruit

The Bible plainly says in Matthew 7:

Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thorn bushes or figs from thistles? Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Therefore by their fruits you will know them.

Something we must realize about Jesus’ sermons is that they were continuous thoughts, they weren’t just random and separate subjects glommed together to fill space. The Word of God was/is God-breathed. The chapter numbers and the sub-headers in your Bible translation were put there by man. Now, there is a reason why God put a warning about false prophets and the good fruit/bad fruit dynamic together in the same subject. It is because false prophets work in such deception, that sometimes the ONLY way you are going to tell a good prophet from a bad prophet is through their fruits.

In fact, in the subsequent verses of Matthew 7, it says:

Not everyone who says to Me, “Lord, Lord,” shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, “Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?” And then I will declare to them, “I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!”

Up until a few years ago, I never thought this verse could be possible. How could someone use Jesus’ name to do miracles, prophesy and cast out devils unless God was with Him? But we’re seeing it all over the place now.

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The Wicked Roots of the of the Prophetic Movement can be Seen in the Fathers

It is not my intention to pick on specific people with this next section.

I am using Bob Jones and Paul Cain as examples to show that perversion and error have had a firm foothold from the roots of this movement and they are being passed on directly to the younger generation of prophets and their followers, who revere the older prophets unquestioningly.

Why? Because they’ve been taught to do so.

It is SO EASY to just accept what you hear when it comes from a person you admire, but the consequences are great when what you hear is wrong, or worse yet… only half right.

Bob Jones and Paul Cain are considered fathers or “high level prophets” in the prophetic movement. They have been on the scene since the 90’s and are quite well-known to the prophetic crowd. If you ask a prophet who his influences are, 95% of the time he will name Bob Jones and/or Paul Cain.

Bob Jones and the 66%

According to the Olathe Daily News[1], Bob Jones confessed to sexual misconduct with a couple of women behind the closed doors of his office. I’ve read and heard a few different reports as to what exactly went on, but will not disclose them here, as I don’t have a concrete source. The fact that something happened – and was admitted to – should be enough.

Additionally, he has been quoted as saying that God is currently only allowing a 66% accuracy of the prophetic word.

If I [God] release the 100% Rhema right now, the accountability would be so awesome and you’d have so much Ananias and Sapphira’s going on the people couldn’t grow.” [2]

. . . God forbid we have any accountability.

Steve Shultz Idolizes Bob Jones

Even as early as February 23 of this year (2011), Steve Shultz posted on the Elijah List site:

I was honored years ago when Bob Jones came to my property. There are few prophets that I almost ‘insist’ that when they prophesy, I listen. Bob Jones is one of them. When he prophesies, I really tune in. Now, I don’t post anyone unless I trust them, mind you, but some I trust even more than others. Bob Jones is one such person. He is my friend and a high-level prophet. Tune in!” [3]

From the above quote, you can see that Steve Shultz puts unquestioning faith in what Bob Jones says, because he is perceived by Steve (and the rest of the prophetic crowd) as high level.

In the exact same post, Bob Jones teaches error.

He says that Elohim means “father of the remnant.” I researched that in the following site (link) and did not find that definition anywhere.

So I decided to Google it, and guess what I found? In August of 2010, Bob Jones says Eliakim means “father of the remnant.”[4] So which is it?

That may seem like nitpicking, and it may be a small error in the middle of a “bigger picture,” but did anybody bother to check their Bible/concordance to see if it actually lines up with the Word? It literally only took me 5 minutes to do that research… certainly, someone has 5 minutes? How many other errors like this have we swallowed because we were too busy looking to a man for guidance, rather than to God? These kinds of “little” errors happen all the time in the prophetic movement and no one bothers to hold each other accountable.

I guess we can allow Bob this mistake because, after all, prophets are only correct 66% of the time. Let’s move on.

Paul Cain a "High-Level" Homosexual

Paul Cain, probably most famous for his “stadium speech,” is another “high-level prophet” who is highly revered among the prophetic crowd.

When confronted by Rick Joyner and Jack Deere in 2004, Paul Cain confessed to being both a homosexual and an alcoholic.

Although restoration was attempted, it was not successful.

And in 2007, Mr. Cain declared that he had been “restored” to ministry anyhow, and started scheduling conferences.

In 2008, Paul publicly said in Lakeland that there were “false rumors” about him and that he had lived a “chaste life.”

Transcript:

I thank you that you have answered my prayer that you have let me live to see tokens of this revival and be involved in it in some way or a participant if possible… and Lord, You have never allowed me to say that I have met the New Breed… Absolutely met the New Breed! And when you brought Todd Bentley and I together, the angel of the Lord said ‘you have found what you are looking for,’… this is a man without guile… behold Nathaniel in whom there is no guile!… I’ve stood by the notables and the greats that had the greatest healing ministry of all times and I’ve never met anyone that has the integrity and the possibilities of leading this thing into a worldwide revival. And I just want to confer and bless… whatever I can do,… I just place to myself to hear from the Lord and to transfer and to give to my brother who has given so much to others and soo much to me, everything you have ever deposited into my life that I didn’t know how to give away I’m giving it to my brother tonight to carry on this revival until the stadiums all over the world have been, uh… catching this, have been carriers of it and taking it from one end of the world to the other and thank you I’VE MET THE NEW BREED TONIGHT.”

No wonder Todd fell through sexual sin!! Paul Cain transferred (conferred, blessed, transferred) everything that his “god” gave to him to Todd Bentley!

Not too long after, after Todd committed adultery and married his new wife, the Lakeland Revival lost its steam and eventually ended.

Elijah List Testimony - Lack of Discernment has a Price

Lack of Discernment has a Price

The hard truth is that today’s false prophets and their followers boast of great prophetic insights, but actually have little or no discernment at all.

During my 7 years working for the Elijah List (and my 5 years at the Vineyard), I had many encounters with people influenced by witchcraft (to varying degrees), pornography and the homosexual spirit, and yet NOTHING was said or done about it.

As I said before, witches attended these conferences and church services, leaving unconvicted and unsaved. People with homosexual spirits and/or admitted pornography addictions were allowed to give “prophetic words” from the pulpit, unchallenged.

That is sin, people.

The Boulevard of Broken Dreams Proved to be True to its Name

Around 2004, I was invited by the late Jill Austin to attend a conference at Gateway Church in Los Angeles (with Jill, David Ruis and Shawn Bolz). This church was right on Santa Monica Boulevard and provided food, shower and discipling services to the homeless, prostitutes and drug addicts. Having a call to minister to people on the street, I was VERY excited to be able to be at this event.

Santa Monica Boulevard is known to some as “the Boulevard of Broken Dreams,” and I believe that’s an understatement. The destitution and emptiness of that street impacted me more than what I saw in Uganda. Cross dressers, prostitutes, gang-bangers, drunks and drug addicts were everywhere, and not just at night… they were there in broad daylight. My heart just broke at the vacant looks in their eyes… they were just empty shells. I couldn’t wait to meet the people who were in charge of meeting the needs of these lost souls.

When I met the pastor and the leadership team, I noticed that they were really well dressed and (honestly) quite effeminate. I did my best not to draw conclusions about the people because not everyone has a redneck background like I have. After all, some guys fit into the whole “metro sexual” stereotype, and I figured that if Jill Austin approved of them, well then certainly I should too.

Prophetic Worship May Attract the World, but it Doesn't Change Lives

The conference itself was confusing, interesting and chaotic. David Ruis was playing techno-type worship music and it attracted the people from outside the church. As the cross dressers, druggies, etc. filtered in, they saw all of the “already saved/prophetic” people dancing and worshiping… and then an interesting dynamic took place.

Many demons manifested, and a lot of the unsaved started worshiping with the prophetic crowd, but honestly and sadly, I don’t remember any deliverance or salvation taking place.

Nonetheless, for all of its shortcomings, what I saw at that time was a church actually engaging the world around them and I just knew that God wanted me to be down there with them. When I got home, I told my wife (in tears) that I had found our ministry home. We began to make preparations to move to Los Angeles.

When It Comes to the Spirit of Homosexuality, Trust Your Judgment

Just two weeks later, I received an email from Jill’s associate saying that the pastor (and entire leadership team) were publicly confronted by someone in the congregation. I was right in my initial assessment of them. They were all participating homosexuals – both with each other and with others outside their team. The pastor ended up stepping down from his position, his wife left him (yes, he was married to a woman) and the church crumbled.

(Note: David Ruis was NOT part of the church leadership team, just a guest worship leader. He was not participating in that particular sin.)

If the Prophets Couldn't See a Homosexual Demon, How Could They See Anything Else?

I was really upset about this. The name of Jesus was (once again) tarnished in the eyes of those who needed Him so desperately. I will never forget what I saw on the Boulevard of Broken Dreams.

After this incident, I really started to question the discernment of the prophets. I really liked Jill (who has since passed away) as a person, but if she (and other prophetic people) couldn’t see something that should have been so obvious, how could I trust their insight at all?

I’ll probably sound like I’m profiling here, but a homosexual demon (in a man or a woman) is one of the most obvious demons to recognize, and yet if you take just a small glimpse at some of these prophetic people, you will see them comfortable and unchallenged . . . even among the prophets themselves.

Chad Taylor was Silent When Homosexuality was Defended

I was invited to speak at a conference in Georgia with Chad Taylor and a few “lower level” prophets. After the conference, I sat with Chad Taylor across a table from two of these prophets (I won’t reveal their names because I don’t know where they stand these days) and they looked me in the eye and said, “If two people of the same sex love each other and want to get married, I honestly have NO PROBLEM with that.”

I told them that there is no way that they can name the Name of Jesus, preach His Righteousness and Holiness, and adhere to that kind of garbage. I left Georgia very angry and disappointed about that situation.

How can someone agree with this homosexual spirit? How can someone with a prophetic gifting be unable (or maybe unwilling) to recognize it?

It comes back to lack of discernment… and an unwillingness to stand for what God says is right.

The Spirit of Witchcraft Thrived

The spirit of witchcraft can be recognized by a number of different MO’s (methods of operation), but in order to stay on topic, I will refrain from explaining each one. However, one thing is certain in every situation… it is devious and usually remains under the radar until one with discernment comes along and calls it out into the open, binds the spirit and then casts it out in the name of Jesus.

Because this was never done in this next circumstance, I can only explain the following situation by telling you what happened to me, from my perspective. I will leave it to you to draw your own conclusions.

A woman came on staff to answer phones, and within a month was elevated to be Steve’s assistant manager and more-or-less in charge of the office while he was gone. A member of the Elijah List leadership team told me that people from her prior church had written Steve many letters, warning him against this woman, some saying that she operated in manipulation and witchcraft, others accusing her outright of being a witch.

These warnings were ignored and she was hired on anyway.

For the first couple of years, I was unaware of these warnings, and honestly, I was quite taken with the lady. When my wife got sick, she actually came to my house and cleaned my hardwood floors on her hands and knees. This was extremely humbling for me, and I thought for sure that this woman was a saint.

She and I developed a friendship for about a year and a half. She used to tell me things like how she recognized God’s anointing on my life and how we were going to work together on prophetic projects in the future. She kind of fawned on me like a little brother and was always quick to smile and give a hug.

My wife, on the other hand, had a different perspective. Throughout this time, she continued to get sicker and sicker; and the evil presence in my house would sometimes become almost tangible. My wife told me, “Kevin, I don’t trust her. She is a bad person!”

For quite some time, I told my wife, “Honey, you’re wrong, you just don’t understand her… you don’t know her like I do!” Well, it turns out that my wife was right.

The Spirit of a Witch in My Room

I have only had a couple times when a spirit has actually materialized in front of my face; this was one of those times. One morning I was waking up, and at the foot of my bed I saw a spirit being. I can’t really explain what it looked like… the air was just “denser.” Anyway, the spirit being turned its face to me, and I recognized the woman’s face!

I said out loud, “OK, I know who you are now. I renounce any relationship or soul tie that I may have with you. Now I bind you in the name of Jesus… Get out of my house!”

The spirit left immediately and the atmosphere in the house actually changed!

Things Changed Immediately

Well, you would think that this incident would be enough to convince me, and it was starting to do so, but when I got to work that day and saw this person, she would not say anything to me, would not smile at me, she would barely even look at me. It happened the VERY DAY I renounced my relationship with her… and she has barely said anything to me since.

Soon after, this woman became very commanding in her personality, and a couple of the weaker-willed women from our office immediately fell in line and followed her around as one would follow a queen… carrying her bags, fetching her coffee, etc. The whole office knew about it when this person had a bad day; the drama was almost routine.

Although the Elijah List already had an operations manager, there were frequent power struggles between this woman and the other manager. Enough authority had been delegated to this woman for her to be able to cause a lot of division and other issues. Many of my co-workers would get one order from the operations manager and the opposite from this woman.

Needless to say, this created a very chaotic atmosphere.

As we all know, hindsight is 20/20. There were other signs that I should have recognized, but like Steve, I too was blinded by this woman’s influence. Looking back, what stands out the most to me is that when she would talk to me (and others) about her “intimacy with the Holy Spirit,” her words and her body language inferred something much more than just a spiritual connection. I know that sounds pretty foul, but that’s exactly what was portrayed.

Anyway, she was eventually laid off from Elijah List, after I quit. But Steve is still suffering to this day from weakness and a malady that the doctors cannot explain, and I’m convinced that it was because of his relationship with this woman and the spirits that accompanied her.

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Prophetic Youth – The Next Generation

If you’ve read this far, you probably agree with me, or are convinced that I am not walking in love and have a vendetta against the Elijah List and/or the prophetic movement. While I admit that it has been very therapeutic to get the events of the past decade out of my head and online, my main concern and the cause of my grief is watching an entire generation of young people being sucked into this deception.

There have been multiple prophecies by people in the prophetic movement aimed toward the youth. The prophecy goes something like:

“There will be a great move of the Holy Spirit among the youth and they will reach everyone in the bars and clubs and on the streets and, because of the signs and wonders, and the fact that the youth look and act different than older people who have been in church, the lost will listen to them and then a HUGE revival will take place!”

Obviously that is not verbatim, but if you research words on the Elijah List and other prophetic sites, you will see words that are very similar.

Preference is Given to the Youth

Because these “prophetic words” have been circulating for years, a mindset has developed in the prophetic movement that gives preference to youth. Instead of being taught by those older and wiser in the ways of the Word, the youth are encouraged to put priority on looking different, being original and expressing themselves creatively.

The older generation are looked upon as religious and out of touch and, therefore, ignored.

In and of itself, there is nothing wrong with originality and creative expression; but when God’s Word is downplayed and tattoos, piercings and other forms of bizarre self-expression are emphasized, you get a group of young people who look and act like the world… and that’s about it.

People can argue that I’m being too legalistic and I really don’t care, I’m going to let the fruit speak for itself. Look at your youth groups, prophetic church… look at your twenty-somethings… what impact are they really having for the Kingdom of God? Are they adding to the number of the church daily? Sure, they look really cool with their new tattoos (how original!)… are they doing the works of Jesus? Are they daily feeding on His Holy Word? Or are they down at the bars being a “witness” (sarcasm implied)?

Are You Offended Enough to Do Anything?

I really WANT to come across stronger on this point, more than any other in this series of posts. I WANT you to be offended to the point of ACTION, because it is those same youth whom you are raising to be leaders of your movement within the next few years. These same youth, who may worship more extravagantly than any of the older people in your church, are riddled with addictions and idolatry behind closed doors. (Read Isaiah 1 to see God’s view on extravagant worship without holiness.)

Weep and grieve over this, church . . . we’ve taught them that Jesus is their buddy, and they have no concept of His Kingship! They have no concept of His hatred for their sin!

The Bible says in Revelation:

“But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”

What makes us think that we can turn them into the next Smith Wigglesworth without the Word, and without holiness?

As we draw nearer to the end of the age, I know that there will be a large influx of people who will come into the Kingdom. But it will be made up of, not just the youth, but babies, children, old people, middle aged people, black, white, Hispanic, etc..

No people group should feel a sense of entitlement to God’s coming move. I also know that II Thessalonians speaks of a great falling away before the end of the age.

Take heed to this, church; receive the love of the truth so that you will not be deceived into believing the lie.

A Final Loss

During my final couple of years at the Elijah List, I was a wreck. My foundation was all but destroyed, and I had no anchor point to judge whether I was hearing God or not. It was at this time that a young guy was hired on who fit the prophetic movement’s description of a cutting-edge christian… approximately 20 years old, black, tattooed and pierced, with a very shady past and a “flamboyant” personality. He had already been attending the Vineyard church and was regarded by many as one of the “New Breed” leaders that were rising up to help bring in the great revival that had been prophesied.

He and I developed a pretty close friendship and, in spite of my own spiritual destitution, I kind of took him under my wing. My wife and I provided furniture for his apartment, a place to spend the holidays, and a basic sense of family for him. I have to say, we thoroughly enjoyed his company and loved him dearly, like a little brother.

Over time though, I started seeing serious inconsistencies in his walk with God. For example, he would have horror movies like “Saw” and “Hostel” at his house and, when I would point this out to him, he would say things like “It’s OK, the Holy Spirit said it was OK for me to watch them.” or “God understands where I’m at, so don’t worry about it.”

Since I myself wasn’t providing the greatest example to him at the time (I drank beer in front of him and our conversation wandered into inappropriate subjects quite frequently), I never challenged him on it.

Also, I noticed that he had several young people (mostly boys between the ages of 14-18) at his house. He told me that they had come from abusive homes, or the street, and needed a place of refuge. “The church isn’t reaching out to them, so if I don’t, who will?” he reasoned to me. I had discerned early on that this kid was sexually messed up, so I felt very uncomfortable with this situation.

On top of all this, the church he was attending had not discipled or corrected him according to the Word of God. Granted, this would have been no easy task; because of the preference given to him earlier, his arrogance and sense of self-entitlement had really gotten out of hand. And because of his appearance and his personality, people either automatically assumed he was God’s “new breed” leader, or, despite their misgivings, they didn’t want to challenge the status quo and point out the obvious issues that really needed to be addressed. The young man worshiped extravagantly and “prophesied” just like he saw his church peers doing, and he was left alone.

It was at about this time that I determined in my heart to rebuild the foundation of God’s Word in my life. I knew I had to leave the Elijah List at my first opportunity, so I began praying in earnest for a new job. Had I known the blessing that awaited me, I would have just quit.

As my foundation and my conviction started to grow again, the young man and I started to have serious arguments. I would point out to him that it was impossible for him to live the life he was living and name the name of Jesus. Rather than acknowledging what he was doing as sin, he would justify it and say that “Daddy said it’s OK.” I would tell him that it was NOT God’s Holy Spirit that was telling him it was alright to sin, but another spirit from hell. Obviously, things got worse from there, to the point that we didn’t even want him around the house. Believe me, I took great measures to be as gentle and as “nice” as possible, but he continually rejected God’s rebuke.

Finally one day, he came to me and told me, “Kevin, I’m bisexual.”

Knowing he had issues in this area, I told him, “Yeah, I figured that.”

Then he said, “…and God made me this way, so I’m happy with what I am.”

To which I responded, “God did NOT make you that way! Maybe something happened to you before you can remember, or when you were younger, but Jesus does NOT make people bisexual, or homosexual, or anything perverse like that.”

But he justified himself in that as well, saying “The Holy Spirit told me he made me this way and loves me just the way I am.”

It was at that point that I knew he was lost. He had absolutely no respect for the Word, completely justified himself in his sin, and was determined to continue in it. I haven’t talked to him since, but I know he’s moved to another city and is a practicing cross-dresser and “sex worker,” all the while convinced that he is witnessing to others by going to gay bars and dancing with other men. And my heart grieves for him. He is going to hell, fully confident that he has a close relationship with Jesus.

But you see, he is the ultimate fruit of a movement that has no regard for the whole Word of God or holiness. The children grow up, seeing their parents seek after signs, wonders and a christian dog and pony show. They see the futility and hypocrisy of it all and, in the end, basically turn to the world.

I’m just as guilty of providing a shabby example, and I’m still in the process of picking up the pieces. I beg God every day that there will be lasting fruit in my children, and I’m happy to say that I’m starting to see it develop. Please God, let it continue!

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Finding My Way Home

Seven years after I started working for the Elijah List, God mercifully led me to another job with another company. I know I tried to leave in good standing with the ministry, but I’m not sure I succeeded, because I was very bitter at the time. It’s taken me 3 years to get to this point, where my foundation is mostly rebuilt and I have been able to forgive, from the heart.

I know that to some of you, it may seem counterproductive to expose the error in people and ministries, but to me, and to others who regard the Word, it needs to be done for a few reasons:

  • so we can recognize error when it arises (and it will continue to arise);
  • so we can check our own lives to make sure that we are not giving place to the same error;
  • so we can avoid supporting those who are in error, but pray that they may repent.

I used to buy into the cleverly disguised deception that we each have our own paths with God, and that we need to just love each other through everything and not judge. But you see, now I’ve found the true definition of love!

Love's True Definition

The true prophets in the Old and New Testament had it right! They LOVED their nation to the point where they would say what God told them to say, even if it meant becoming objects of ridicule and disdain in the eyes of those they loved. Their love begged people to repent and turn back to God, not to continue in their ways and hope to get the next “third heaven experience.” They had no concern for the number of followers they had, what conferences they were invited to, or the bottom line $$. They didn’t speak ear-tickling messages that would coddle people into a deceptive slumber; they left that to the false prophets, who ALWAYS had a “positive and encouraging” thing to say.

It’s because of this love that I absolutely must write this. Do you think that I did this to gain the favor of man? I know personally at least a hundred people in my own home town who will NOT accept this message and will feel the need to rebuke me (according to their wisdom)… this is not an exaggeration!

It would have been much easier to just walk away and forget about it. But there is a generation at risk… I cannot and will not walk away. I love them too much.

What Really Matters

The day I came home from my last day at the Elijah List, I took my Bible in my hands, looked at my wife, and said “All I need is this… and you.” Then we just held each other for awhile.

That’s pretty much where the story ends – or begins, if you look at it another way. The very day that I walked away from the Elijah List and the prophetic movement, the blessing of God came back to my house. Although there were battles, there were hope and victory instead of fear and the confusion of not having a foundation. I began to find myself in His Word, to hear His voice speak to me, and to see His faithfulness in every day.

I know there are good people still in this movement, and there are good prophetic people who still associate with the Elijah List, but unfortunately, they are few and far between. Some are just naive, thinking that the “new thing” God is doing takes the form of the new prophetic scene; others are simply wicked people.

I would hope that those prophetic people who have hearts for God would follow hard after Him and that their walk with God would not be superseded by their relationships with others within the prophetic community. I pray that they would embrace all of His truth, not just the parts that are easy to swallow.

As for me and my family, we have found a few friends of like mind and common vision, and we treasure them because they are rare. It is so freeing to be able to tell each other our problems, and to receive encouragement AND rebuke, knowing that we love each other too much to see each other perish.

Ironically, I do have to thank the Elijah List for a couple of things. Whether it intended to teach me or not, I learned over the past few years that:

  • the love and discernment of a good woman (my wife) is absolutely priceless;
  • celebrity and public approval mean absolutely nothing in the eyes of God;
  • increased income is not a sign of God’s favor.

Lastly, I learned that people who name the name of Christ, yet ignore wisdom’s rebuke are really just “dead men walking”.

As for me? …I’m alive again.

Last Thoughts: I know many who read this may think that I’m holding a grudge or trying to exact some sort of revenge… I guess that’s your business. I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that I’ve forgiven Steve Shultz, the Elijah List, its associated ministries and any people who are currently playing a deceptive role in what is known as “the Prophetic Movement” – God will be my witness. I do not wish harm on anyone physically, financially or otherwise.

What I do wish, if anything, is that the truth would be revealed. I would hope that the Holy Spirit would convict those who need it, that they would repent and get right with God, and either step down or start being true prophets. But most of all, I would hope that all who read this would have their eyes opened, and that they would be set free from this growing deception.

Prophetic Rehab

Prologue: Post-Prophetic Rehab – How to Get Back on Track

I received a letter from someone who, like me, was involved in the prophetic movement for quite some time and has only recently had the eyes of her understanding opened to the truth. She asked me what steps should be taken to “rehabilitate” herself and get back on track.

When you’re involved with the prophetic movement, there are so many distractions, half-truths and… well, junk, that your vision gets foggy and you feel like you’re lost in the middle of a huge forest with no direction as to how to get out. You doubt your ability to hear God’s voice and the truths and promises of His Word no longer seem valid or reachable.

Have you had enough of the crazy visions, theories, “warfare,” visitations, psycho-twitches, HO’s and Shabbah’s?

THERE IS A WAY OUT!!!!

This answer is so simple that it’s VERY easy to discredit it and sweep it under the rug.

Here’s the answer: READ YOUR BIBLE AND PRAY… A LOT!!!

Could it be this simple?? YES!!

Transform Your Thinking

We are told in Romans 12:2 to “be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.” This is the perfect way to find your way out of the forest… by having your mind transformed!

You’ve been wandering out in this sea of confusion, moved and shaken by every wind of doctrine and teaching of man… and you want a way out… you want to chart your course in the direction of Ultimate Truth. The Word of God will do this for you!

The spoken Word of God has its own power that, when listened to and meditated upon, can actually CHANGE the way you think. It can fine tune your “spiritual ear” to actually be able to discern between the Holy Spirit and “other” types of spirits.

Be prepared to find ways of thinking in the Word of God that conflict with what you’ve learned in the prophetic movement. There are many things that I had to re-learn as my mind became more aligned with His Word.

Talk With God

The other thing that needs to happen is a lot of prayer. The Word says in 1 Thessalonians 5:17 to “pray without ceasing” …in other words, DON’T STOP!! While you may not be able to actually speak out in prayer all the time, you can keep yourself in a position of continually listening for His voice. Hearing what He has to say is WAY more important than anything we think we need to pray.

As you’re listening, remember that you’ve been part of a movement that allows for other spirits to enter into the picture. This can result in a lot of confusion when listening to the Father’s voice, so you really need to compare what you hear with what is in the Word of God. The Holy Spirit will NEVER NEVER NEVER tell you to do something that conflicts with what the Word says.

Never be too prideful to admit that what you heard wasn’t from God… I’ve made this mistake a lot!!! I thought that I heard His voice and then acted before I compared it to His Word and ended up in a real mess!

Another gauge we can use to analyze if we’ve heard correctly is good Bible-believing friends who have a proven track record with God. Not someone who sounds “spiritual” (there are plenty of those flakes), but someone who is solid, firm, grounded and steady in the Word… those are the ones you want to glean from.

Get Rid of the Fluff

The church has become entirely too dependent on books, worship CD’s, teaching tapes and other “fluff.” Get rid of them… especially if they are from the old way of life from which you are trying to escape – GET RID OF THEM! You don’t need worship CD’s to get into His presence, you don’t need instruction from these books by people who think they’ve heard from God.

YOU NEED TO HEAR FROM GOD FOR YOURSELF!

When you get alone with God, quiet yourself and rely on Him alone for your spiritual experience… gradually, but faithfully, He will pour out on you such revelation that you will not have room to contain it! The best revelation comes directly from God, not from man.

Take the Time

The amount of time it will take for you to get back on track really depends on you.

How long are you willing to spend with Him daily?

Do you really want to be back on track?

I want to challenge you to tithe your time and dedicate 1/10 of your day (2-1/2 hours) to spending time with God (not as a religious duty – think of it as an investment) in prayer and in the Word. This is a great way to break through certain ways of thinking, and to re-establish a damaged foundation. It worked for me!

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  1. I enjoyed reading your blog. Really interesting and insightful. I have always had a check in my spirit about some of these “prophets.”

    Thanks for speaking out.

    P.S. You do not come across as being bitter but as warning the Church and reminding the Church about what the Word of God says.

  2. The Problem as I see it is that most prophetic words are more of a fortune telling style than what this mall study states…

    The “testimony of Jesus” is mentioned four times in Revelation because it will be particularly significant to people all over the world who live during the Great Tribulation. What is the testimony of Jesus? It is the Spirit of prophecy. The angel told John,”… For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.” (Revelation 19:10) What does this mean? The testimony of Jesus can be thought of as the words of Jesus. Jesus is alive! He is not silent. Jesus still speaks and His words (or testimony) are conveyed to His children via the Holy Spirit. In like manner, our words (prayers) are conveyed to God’s throne via the Holy Spirit! (Romans 8:16,26,27) The Holy Spirit has the ability to be on Earth and in Heaven at the same time. For that matter, the Holy Spirit is everywhere at any given time. This boggles the finite mind, but according to Joel 2, the Holy Spirit will be poured out upon all people at the same time! How God does this, I do not know. That He will do this, we can be certain His Word is sure.

    So, let’s look at the Bible’s explanation of the testimony of Jesus. Please review the following references:

    1. Revelation 1:1,2 “The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, who testifies to everything he saw – that is, the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ.”

    2. Revelation 1:9 “I, John, your brother and companion in the suffering and kingdom and patient endurance that are ours in Jesus, was on the island of Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus.”

    3. Revelation 12:17 “Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to make war against the rest of her offspring – those who obey God’s commandments and hold to the testimony of Jesus.”

    4. Revelation 19:10 “At this I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, ‘Do not do it! I am a fellow servant with you and with your brothers who hold to the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.”

  3. You have learned the lesson of the gut. Trust your gut. Your gut or heart always is first to react and almost always right. You will always find new challenges in life. We are always being tested and facing new trials. If your life is real comfortable you probably aren’t paying attention.

    You will know them by their fruit. Bad fruit comes from thorny bushes. When you feel the pricks open your eyes and see the fruit. Good fruit is a signal of goodness.

  4. I totally agree with the problem of a Christian minister leaving his wife, remarrying and returning to ministry in one year. You mention “finding another wife” after leaving his own. It’s quite possible that he already had the new one in line.

    The way I see Todd Bentley’s marital situation is this: unless his first wife committed adultery, he is – and will continue to be – committing adultery with his new wife as long as his first wife lives. A marriage is a literal spiritual joining together by the authority of God, and it is for life, until one partner dies. For anyone to restore him to ministry while he is living in sin, is an ongoing offense. There is only one way for him to be eligible for return to ministry, and that is to leave his adulterous marriage and be reconciled to his proper wife (if she would have him).

    Too many Christians walk into this trap of marrying, divorcing and remarrying. I do understand that some serious problems may arise that make life unbearable, but if a separation is in order then the person who leaves must remain unattached to another. I know that most will find this unacceptable. Divorcing and remarrying is the way of the world; the Church tends to follow suit and few will hold them accountable. Joyner failed in this respect.

    On the matter of books and CDs, God pointed out something to me about the books. I had long been interested in the spirit world (from a Christian point of view), having experienced several encounters with spirits before accepting Christ. I wanted to learn how to do deliverance and began to collect books on the subject. Over the years I accumulated many of these books but the more I read, the more frustrated I became. I saw conflict between minister/authors, and realized I could never match them unless I had a mega-church and a twelve-member prayer warrior team.

    One day I came home with two more books on demon-deliverance and set them on the shelf with the others. I sat back in my chair and looked at the row of books and right then God addressed the issue with me. It was not an audible voice yet undoubtedly not from my own thoughts: “You have an extensive collection of books. You have paid a lot of money for them, but they are not my Word.” I was stunned by this revelation and even felt a little ashamed. I had no doubt about what was happening. God never told me to stop reading the books but made it clear that the Bible is sufficient.

    I already knew how Jesus dealt with demons; it wasn’t with a prayer warrior team, and he didn’t fight with Satan all night long. He simply told the spirits to leave the people. Mark 16:17 shows us that God has given his authority to the Christian who trusts him, to cast out demons. I had been looking to the methods and wisdom of other ministers instead of God. Since that time, eleven years ago, I have been involved in the deliverance ministry (every night, and not in a church building) with 100% success. I have also learned much about the spirits, and from this I now realize how much nonsense was written in those books. Christian books can be helpful but they should not take the place of the Bible.

    I do have a website but am reluctant to advertise it because it is controversial and brings condemnation from church people. Yet God uses it in a mighty way. I hasten to add that I accepted Christ almost 31 years ago, and have ministered the Gospel for 26 of those years. Jesus, the Christ, is the one and only God, the Creator. He is risen from the dead and will return to claim his bride, soon.

    I truly wish I could teach Christians the truth about the spirit world, but in my attempts to do so in the past, I have run into so much opposition that it’s best for me to be silent. Many church people say cute slogans like: “With God all things are possible,” and “God moves in mysterious ways,” but when I try to share with them the possible things that God is doing, and the mysterious ways in which he moves, they don’t believe me. It seems to me that this is why the Church, for the most part, is impotent. Sunday entertainment is mostly what many are interested in, and charismatic preachers are the tops (in some minds). Always searching for something new and entertaining, but never coming to a deeper relationship with Christ.

  5. I totally agree with the problem of a Christian minister leaving his wife, remarrying and returning to ministry in one year. You mention “finding another wife” after leaving his own. It’s quite possible that he already had the new one in line.

    The way I see Todd Bentley’s marital situation is this: unless his first wife committed adultery, he is – and will continue to be – committing adultery with his new wife as long as his first wife lives. A marriage is a literal spiritual joining together by the authority of God, and it is for life, until one partner dies. For anyone to restore him to ministry while he is living in sin, is an ongoing offense. There is only one way for him to be eligible for return to ministry, and that is to leave his adulterous marriage and be reconciled to his proper wife (if she would have him).

    Too many Christians walk into this trap of marrying, divorcing and remarrying. I do understand that some serious problems may arise that make life unbearable, but if a separation is in order then the person who leaves must remain unattached to another. I know that most will find this unacceptable. Divorcing and remarrying is the way of the world; the Church tends to follow suit and few will hold them accountable. Joyner failed in this respect.

    On the matter of books and CDs, God pointed out something to me about the books. I had long been interested in the spirit world (from a Christian point of view), having experienced several encounters with spirits before accepting Christ. I wanted to learn how to do deliverance and began to collect books on the subject. Over the years I accumulated many of these books but the more I read, the more frustrated I became. I saw conflict between minister/authors, and realized I could never match them unless I had a mega-church and a twelve-member prayer warrior team.

    One day I came home with two more books on demon-deliverance and set them on the shelf with the others. I sat back in my chair and looked at the row of books and right then God addressed the issue with me. It was not an audible voice yet undoubtedly not from my own thoughts: “You have an extensive collection of books. You have paid a lot of money for them, but they are not my Word.” I was stunned by this revelation and even felt a little ashamed. I had no doubt about what was happening. God never told me to stop reading the books but made it clear that the Bible is sufficient.

    I already knew how Jesus dealt with demons; it wasn’t with a prayer warrior team, and he didn’t fight with Satan all night long. He simply told the spirits to leave the people. Mark 16:17 shows us that God has given his authority to the Christian who trusts him, to cast out demons. I had been looking to the methods and wisdom of other ministers instead of God. Since that time, eleven years ago, I have been involved in the deliverance ministry (every night, and not in a church building) with 100% success. I have also learned much about the spirits, and from this I now realize how much nonsense was written in those books. Christian books can be helpful but they should not take the place of the Bible.

    I do have a website but am reluctant to advertise it because it is controversial and brings condemnation from church people. Yet God uses it in a mighty way. I hasten to add that I accepted Christ almost 31 years ago, and have ministered the Gospel for 26 of those years. Jesus, the Christ, is the one and only God, the Creator. He is risen from the dead and will return to claim his bride, soon.

    I truly wish I could teach Christians the truth about the spirit world, but in my attempts to do so in the past, I have run into so much opposition that it’s best for me to be silent. Many church people say cute slogans like: “With God all things are possible,” and “God moves in mysterious ways,” but when I try to share with them the possible things that God is doing, and the mysterious ways in which he moves, they don’t believe me. It seems to me that this is why the Church, for the most part, is impotent. Sunday entertainment is mostly what many are interested in, and charismatic preachers are the tops (in some minds). Always searching for something new and entertaining, but never coming to a deeper relationship with Christ.

  6. Regarding the “Judge not…” scripture. I wish a had a dollar for every time that has been thrown at me, even when not directly confronting an offender. Example: Simply for agreeing that homosexuality is a perversion and an abomination, brings condemnation on me for having been judgmental. Yet those who condemn me as being judgmental, do not see that they are doing the very thing they condemn me for.

    Two of the most significant words that Jesus spoke were: “Follow me!” He called twelve men to be his disciples that way, and even today he continues to utter the same call to those who profess Christ. When I follow in his manner, I am condemned for it, even by Christians. When I am told “Judge not…” I tell them some of the things Jesus said to the Pharisees:

    “You hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men’s faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.” –Matt 23:13 NIV

    Oh, my! Jesus is telling the religious folk they are going to hell!

    “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites ! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men’s bones and everything unclean.” –Matt 23:27 NIV

    Having told my critics of the things that Jesus said, they fire back with, “Yes, but you’re not Jesus!” True, but I have the Spirit of God in me and have every right and authority to condemn sin. Too many Christians are afraid to say what needs to be said. Oddly enough, the world knows little about the scriptures, but many of them know the “Judge not…” verse, and they don’t hesitate to misuse it. We do not judge the world because it is already under condemnation, but we ARE to judge those who claim to be of Christ.

    Regarding John Crowder: The video mentions “Crowder’s brand of Christianity…” This man is a Christian? I find him to be most offensive and blasphemous! I even consider him to be taking God’s name in vain. I went and looked at some of his other videos. He is a showman who, in my opinion, preaches Christ out of envy. (Phil. 1:15) I see no respect for the holiness of God in his vile “Toking the Ghost” nonsense.

    Regarding Satanists and witches feeling comfortable in our houses of worship: I have worked with – and continue to work with – hundreds of Satanists and witches over the past eleven years. It is true that some of them feel comfortable in a church service. It is also true, and sad, that many of them are condemned when a minister finds out they are into the occult. They are driven away and find more solace in their covens than in what is supposed to be the house of God. Some of them even became occultists after giving church a try and feeling unaccepted.

    I am often asked: “Why would I want to be like one of you?” They are turned off, as well, by boring church services that are simply religious, or those that jump up and down, wave their arms around and babble like babies. They do need to feel comfortable but also need to hear the Word of God and the love of Jesus Christ without condemning them.

    Many of them also cannot accept Christ even though they may want to. Most are not able to just walk away from the covens as Christians think they should because the evil spirits in them will not allow them to do so. This is what I deal with in deliverance. And this also shows a need for greater understanding of the spirit world and what it does to those entrapped in the occult, but it is something that so many Christians don’t want to hear about or deal with. Jesus dealt with it, though!

  7. Regarding the “Judge not…” scripture. I wish a had a dollar for every time that has been thrown at me, even when not directly confronting an offender. Example: Simply for agreeing that homosexuality is a perversion and an abomination, brings condemnation on me for having been judgmental. Yet those who condemn me as being judgmental, do not see that they are doing the very thing they condemn me for.

    Two of the most significant words that Jesus spoke were: “Follow me!” He called twelve men to be his disciples that way, and even today he continues to utter the same call to those who profess Christ. When I follow in his manner, I am condemned for it, even by Christians. When I am told “Judge not…” I tell them some of the things Jesus said to the Pharisees:

    “You hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men’s faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.” –Matt 23:13 NIV

    Oh, my! Jesus is telling the religious folk they are going to hell!

    “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites ! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men’s bones and everything unclean.” –Matt 23:27 NIV

    Having told my critics of the things that Jesus said, they fire back with, “Yes, but you’re not Jesus!” True, but I have the Spirit of God in me and have every right and authority to condemn sin. Too many Christians are afraid to say what needs to be said. Oddly enough, the world knows little about the scriptures, but many of them know the “Judge not…” verse, and they don’t hesitate to misuse it. We do not judge the world because it is already under condemnation, but we ARE to judge those who claim to be of Christ.

    Regarding John Crowder: The video mentions “Crowder’s brand of Christianity…” This man is a Christian? I find him to be most offensive and blasphemous! I even consider him to be taking God’s name in vain. I went and looked at some of his other videos. He is a showman who, in my opinion, preaches Christ out of envy. (Phil. 1:15) I see no respect for the holiness of God in his vile “Toking the Ghost” nonsense.

    Regarding Satanists and witches feeling comfortable in our houses of worship: I have worked with – and continue to work with – hundreds of Satanists and witches over the past eleven years. It is true that some of them feel comfortable in a church service. It is also true, and sad, that many of them are condemned when a minister finds out they are into the occult. They are driven away and find more solace in their covens than in what is supposed to be the house of God. Some of them even became occultists after giving church a try and feeling unaccepted.

    I am often asked: “Why would I want to be like one of you?” They are turned off, as well, by boring church services that are simply religious, or those that jump up and down, wave their arms around and babble like babies. They do need to feel comfortable but also need to hear the Word of God and the love of Jesus Christ without condemning them.

    Many of them also cannot accept Christ even though they may want to. Most are not able to just walk away from the covens as Christians think they should because the evil spirits in them will not allow them to do so. This is what I deal with in deliverance. And this also shows a need for greater understanding of the spirit world and what it does to those entrapped in the occult, but it is something that so many Christians don’t want to hear about or deal with. Jesus dealt with it, though!

  8. try the spirit by the spirit and see if of God, God will reveal to you and others true Men and women of God but be careful that you do not judge them. That is not your job God will Judge, But pray for them May God Bless you

    1. Hi Carol, you need to read the rest of the story before you just hold up the “don’t judge” flag. There are plenty of scripture that talk about judging within (and without) the Body of Christ, see parts 4 and 5 for more info.

  9. So what do you think/know about Chad Taylor? I really hope it wasn’t him that made the statement about homosexuals.

  10. True repentance and brokenness before God is the ONLY way to true revival and a true move of the Spirit of God, not the foolishness that has been displayed as “the Prophetic.” They have truly gone overboard on the prophetic movement, not balancing out all the counsel of God and all the giftings of the Spirit of God for today. I witnessed this myself at Morningstar in Charlotte, NC for two years.

  11. thank you for taking the time to inform and allow others to use discernment in these areas. It IS very important especially in the day and hour we living in. Christians are being taken away by fame and fortune and among other things like you mentioned earlier. There is truly a “deception” which has caught the church. Not everybody but its there. I always ponder on the scriptures which talk about deception in the last days. People following after false signs and wonders due to their LACK for the love of truth. There is a price to pay for following Jesus. You have to lay it all down. All of it. Unfortunately , some people are not willing to give up the things Jesus is telling you to give up. Its a struggle and it takes determination, faith, per severance but in the end…wow…does it build character. Narrow is the door. When I was reading about the youth you and your wife were helping out I couldn’t help but think about other youths in the same boat cause people want a quick fix. They always want a “GOOD WORD” lol! And then test comes. You get a “NOT SO GOOD WORD” now what? Do you get offended and totally reject it? Or will you actually pray to the most Holy God and ask if its true? Do you actually humble yourself enough to receive it and ask God for help and to take you to a higher place. Its interesting isn’t it. I’m totally shocked at how many in the church do not humble themselves. Its not easy but the rewards are spectacular.

    People are always watching you and your lifestyle. How you react to certain things and how you take stands for righteousness and are always steady and strong with that and never wavering. People take notice of the light. They are watching. People who you have never talked with i.e being a co worker or whoever will notice from a distance. Most often than not, what they notice is your strength in the Lord. Even if they make negative comments about your stands. They notice your strength in God. Sometimes doing it on purpose just to see how you will react for the fun of it or to really see how serious you are because they are intrigued. Either way, cause you never know, let it shine forth and be your own person God has made you to be. There IS a way to be real with people without giving into “religion” and coming off as some sort of super spiritual freak. Its too bad that christians put other christians on pedestals especially if they have a well known ministry like you said. The one thing i hate is “fake” christians but some ministries, again like you said, are to worried about “their ministry” and coming off “negative” even if they are following God. I think Jesus and the apostles would barf if they were here today and look at some of these ministries. Again, not all, but lots. Sorry to go on and on cause I normally don’t respond to this stuff but I enjoyed what was said and wanted to reply. Be blessed guys!!!!

  12. Kevin,

    Thank you for sharing your experiences and being obedient by “exposing the fruitless deeds of darkness.”

    My turning point actually came after the debacle at Lakeland. I should back up and tell you that I was attending an NAR church who commended Todd Bentley and

    had him speak at our conferences, etc. My pastor went to Lakeland and was invited on stage, by name, to “get some” and bring it back to our congregation. I bought every word, hook, line & sinker – yes, I placed my hands on the TV screen to receive various “anointings” released during the Lakeland Revival broadcasts on GodTV, which my husband and I watched nightly. I emailed prayer requests, told infirmed friends to watch, sent money and would’ve bought the T-shirt. I have since repented.

    I thank my Heavenly Father, because He is faithful! I have always prayed that He would not allow me to be deceived and He used that very serious situation to begin to open my eyes. I finally started to question things:

    1. How could Todd lie about his marriage & fidelity while claiming to spend hours with the Lord each day, in the Spirit, in heaven, etc. and not deal with his own sin?

    2. How could supposed “prophets” commission him and speak such obvious falsehoods over him in the name of the Lord? MY GOD IS NOT A MAN, THAT HE SHOULD LIE!

    3. How could I not question Todd’s violent actions (a fruit of the spirit is gentleness + the Galatians were warned about putting up with “leaders” using them & slapping their faces), his arrogance (“bold and arrogant, these men are not afraid to slander celestial beings,”) or the fact that he was giving credit to angels for healing instead of Christ (without ever TESTING the spirits who visited the services)? I didn’t even hear the warning bells when Todd asked why he couldn’t just “tell the people about Jesus and forget about all the other signs & wonders stuff,” and God purportedly told Todd it was because, “The people already know about Jesus. You have to get them to believe in THE angel. The people already believe in Jesus, but they don’t accept the supernatural.” (First of all, everyone I know who knows Jesus, also accepts the supernatural & believes in angels, so that’s unfounded! Secondly, would God really want someone to stop talking about Jesus to brag about some angel? The answer should’ve been obvious and yes, there are myriad verses to prove it.)

    4. Why didn’t I see the red flag when Wendy Alec said the Lord would appear at Lakeland (“If anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ’… don’t believe them.”)

    5. Why did I accept the uncontrolled manifestations and drunkenness that people would exhibit when the Bible continually warns us to be sober-minded and another fruit of the Holy Spirit is SELF CONTROL?

    6. Are there really NEW anointings that God released during those meetings? (Answer: “I am writing these things to you about those who are trying to lead you astray. As for you, THE anointing you received from Him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as His anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit – just as it has taught you, remain in Him.” 1 John 2:27 “His divine power HAS GIVEN us EVERYTHING we need for life and godliness through our knowledge of Him Who called us by His own glory and goodness.” 2 Peter 1:3)

    7. Why were there no medically confirmed cases of multiple people being raised from the dead?!

    8. How could a FAITH healer who believed that God would raise people from the dead, not have enough faith to believe God to heal his marriage (even now) and subsequently leave his wife and children in another country, unsupported, to marry a trophy wife who was a caretaker for his children?

    9. Why would any Christian leader, who is supposed to love Todd, accept that relationship and NOT counsel him to divorce the wife whom God didn’t have for him, reconcile with his first loves (God and the wife whom God chose for him), return home to his family, get a job to support them, raise his children and be fully restored unto the Lord, his family, friends and partners, getting his house in order BEFORE he was restored to ministry??? THAT above all else would demonstrate his faith to me. Instead, lame excuses were made for his “indiscretions” (“he spent too much time in ministry and burnt out.” – Weird, because he had enough spare time to carry on a love affair and get drunk with his buddies!) and his illegitimate wife, Jemma was APPLAUDED by Rick Joyner and the Morning Star congregation. (“But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat.” 1 Cor. 11) Consequently, he is the very definition of a false prophet and their cash cow riding the gravy train with them. This is my prayer for Todd, “TRULY REPENT,” because I really love him and want God’s best for him! “For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy person – such a man is an idolater – has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient. Therefore, do not be partners with them.” Eph. 5:5-7 – That is a serious exhortation, not just a suggestion!

    10. So, are all the “players” involved in the Lakeland Lie deceived themselves, or just deliberate deceivers?

    Addressing the last question, I can only draw from my experience – when I realized I had been deceived, I NEEDED to change, NEEDED to be forgiven, NEEDED to know the truth, NEEDED to be cleansed from that unrighteousness. I repented.

    Who else has? Rick Joyner? C. Peter Wagner? Bill Johnson? Che Ahn? John Arnott? Randy Clark? Stacey Campbell? Paul Cain? Bob Jones?

    Who knows?

    I pray that our Heavenly Father will permanently remove the veil of deception the enemy placed over our reasoning, continue pouring out His Spirit of Truth, give us greater discernment and lead us into righteousness through His Word. Amen.

    Happy Thanksgiving! Praise the Lord for His provision! The truth will set you free!

    1. Good questions Plumb, these are the type of question we all should ask rather than blindly following a man or a movement. Christians misplace faith..it should be in Jesus..that’s who we follow..yet not blindly, that’s why He’s given us the Bible. Which says that if even an angel comes with another teaching, not to believe them. We are to try every spirit. How? by the word of God, not just one scripture but the whole word of God. There are many heresies in the church, and more coming to the church. We must be watchful.

    2. Thanks for doing this and being fair also. I saw Todd Bentley way back- must have been about the first time he was at Albany Vineyard. (He was wearing an African gown) I think the Lord gave me good discernment and I immediately thought that he was arrogant, loud, posturing and other things I can’t post here. I am ashamed to say that I felt fearful to clearly state my feelings about Todd and other people in this movement at times. I was attacked quite viciously one time when I did, so I just avoided going to these conferences most of the time and said nothing committal when people waxed on starry- eyed about them.

      1. It’s important to not fall under condemnation for speaking the Truth, April. I’ve felt just like you, for the same reasons! Never again. The Word says, “Have nothing to do with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them!”

        God bless …

    3. After the Todd Bentley train wreck I took a hard look at the NAR apostles and associates . I came to the same conclusions you did.

  13. I find your articles to be thoughtfully written. I agree with you the word speaks clearly to judge those who call theirselves prophets or apostles and are not. If we don’t keep the church clean of the bad it will taint the good. I think the first mistake people make is looking to prophets instead of looking to God. I myself will tell those who are always wanting a word that they should read their bible.

    A Godly prophet will have fruit, in their life and in their ministry. That is the evidence of a true prophet…that the word comes to pass. I think it’s ok to teach a young prophet not to say “thus saith the Lord” unless they are absolutely positive…but to go ahead and speak what they see and feel making it clear that they are not sure if it’s God or not…thus allowing the word to speak for itself, but only after checking it scripturally..if it doesn’t align with the character of God that we learn from the study of His word, then it is wrong.

    I think part of the blame must go to the people who put undue pressure on the prophet for a word. The pressure to perform should never move a prophet to step out. These who always look for a word ought to be redirected to seek God. If they would go after God they wouldn’t always need or want a word. Personally I am skeptical of every word spoken to me…I judge it…does it agree with the word of God; does it bear witness; what is the purpose of it; does it’s purpose imply good fruit or bad fruit will grow from the word. The word says for one to prophesy and the others to judge (the word).

    I had a man give me a word that agreed with what God had been showing me at that time..but then he told me I would be greater than my husband. What is THAT? Greater than my husband…who is greater than who in the kingdom of God? What fruit could that produce in my life? So I chalked it up to his inexperience and lack of wisdom, and told the devil he would not take root in my life through this wrong word. It was devilish..seeking to divide my household.

    As good as your articles are there is little reference to good prophets. The word is clear that he gave some apostles, prophets, evangelist, pastors, teachers for the edifying of the church. So yes if it’s warranted, expose abuses, but don’t throw the baby out with the bath water.

    I’m not sure if we are coming into greater deceptions in the church, or if I’m just beginning to see them more the past couple of years…but it’s scary all the weird stuff that’s manifesting in the modern church world. If we don’t have a close walk with Him it seems we leave ourselves open to deception. The days of running after men of God need to come to and end…because so many are decieved through such efforts. As you stated He is a personal God, not second hand. We are to love one another, respect, serve, but not follow blindly…that right belongs only to God.

  14. I have been thinking a lot lately and wondering about the whole advent of *personal prophetic words*, and *prayer ministry*. I came into the gospel in the early seventies, before any of this became common place in charismatic circles. After a sermon, at the end of a service, we would go to the altar or into the *prayer room* to meet with God ourselves and to let Him deal with us/ speak to us, and help us regarding what was being spoken to our hearts. It was rare for anyone to touch someone or lay hands on someone to do any kind of *prayer ministry*. We learned how to meet with God ourselves and to hear what He was saying. We didn’t look to people as mediators…(I am beginning to think some of this stuff is making people into mediators…people always looking *for a word* thru some person or another) It’s not that there is no place for it, but in the biblical context we see *Confess your faults one to another and pray for one another that you may be healed* They prayed for the baptism of the HS by the laying on of hands, and may have commissioned those being send out that way as well. Seems to me we have taken this WAY too far, and we are losing or have lost our ability to simply walk and talk with God, except via some prophetic list, or a ministry team or ???

    We need to get back to reality and abandon this fluff and lean to hear from God. *For there is ONE mediator between God and man, the man Jesus Christ*…and *truly our fellowship is with the Father and with His Son Jesus Christ*.

  15. There are ‘Foolish Virgins’ my friend.

    Now that ‘Wise Virgins’ are sending them on their Way.

    Time is short, The Bridegroom comes…

  16. Hey Kevin, I’m sorry you had to go thru all that with those fakes who claim to be Christians. I watched TBN for years before I was brainwashed enough to enter those kinds of churches. But once I got really into it all on a personal level with these people, big red flags went up. That’s when I started studying up on their doctrines. What I found was shocking.
    And the whole “counting heads” when it comes to those who made a “decision for Christ”—-started way back in the late 1800’s when mere “professions” took precedence over real-life changes (evidences of regeneration). In fact, the whole “doctrine of regeneration” went out the door. No wonder we are seeing all this today.

  17. Hey Kevin, I’m sorry you had to go thru all that with those fakes who claim to be Christians. I watched TBN for years before I was brainwashed enough to enter those kinds of churches. But once I got really into it all on a personal level with these people, big red flags went up. That’s when I started studying up on their doctrines. What I found was shocking.

    And the whole “counting heads” when it comes to those who made a “decision for Christ”—-started way back in the late 1800’s when mere “professions” took precedence over real-life changes (evidences of regeneration). In fact, the whole “doctrine of regeneration” went out the door. No wonder we are seeing all this today.

  18. Kevin, brother, wow! Spot on.. God bless you and your family. It has been quite a journey, thanks for sharing that with us. I also came out of Charismania in 2008 – the fake Lakeland ‘revival’ and Todd Bentley were the last straw.. Just like you wrote, ever since I closed the door to that, my spiritual well-being has stared to improve, I can hear God again, and I am finally having my foundation back.. hooray!

    Even though people have told me the opposite would happen 🙂

    Some of the issues have been on my heart already, and you nailed them eloquently: especially this preference to youth, almost to the point of idolizing all kinds of bizarre and godless behavior patterns. I have grieved over that and prayed for more spiritual fathers & mothers. Young people need guidance and godly examples, not more worldly manifestations.. I have seen the problems you mentioned, rootless lives w/ very little substance in character.. May God raise up real revival, a move that truly makes us a family of many generations.

    The manipulation and witchcraft part… have seen it and experienced it. sad. we need fear of God to stay on course and recognize what is going on.

    May the Lord continue to bless and strengthen you, as you share your experiences and continue your journey.

  19. Oh dear.. I used to help some ministries in translation / editing GOD TV being one of them – I was so excited to be ‘onboard’, so to speak! They seemed so loving, hippy, energetic, full of faith… it all was like a huge privilege.

    Fast forward 2008 and the Fakeland Fiasco. I got the newsletter and was supposed to translate all the ‘signs and miracles’ taking place .. could not do so because of the concerns I had. That’s when it became obvious I could not continue to help their ministry or even support it.

    It was devastating – so many wonderful testimonies about how God used the Alecs & GOD TV. Don’t know where they stand on these issues today, but in my eyes all of their credibility was lost after they publicly supported Todd Bentley’s actions and doctrines.

  20. Oh dear.. I used to help some ministries in translation / editing GOD TV being one of them – I was so excited to be ‘onboard’, so to speak! They seemed so loving, hippy, energetic, full of faith… it all was like a huge privilege.

    Fast forward 2008 and the Fakeland Fiasco. I got the newsletter and was supposed to translate all the ‘signs and miracles’ taking place .. could not do so because of the concerns I had. That’s when it became obvious I could not continue to help their ministry or even support it.

    It was devastating – so many wonderful testimonies about how God used the Alecs & GOD TV. Don’t know where they stand on these issues today, but in my eyes all of their credibility was lost after they publicly supported Todd Bentley’s actions and doctrines.

  21. The stuff on that video is so sick, I am surprised he is still alive w/ all that blasphemy.. May God save him from that evil and grant him grace of TRUE REPENTANCE!

  22. The stuff on that video is so sick, I am surprised he is still alive w/ all that blasphemy.. May God save him from that evil and grant him grace of TRUE REPENTANCE!

  23. Well, that’s interesting. I hadn’t realized he’d been divorced and remarried. I had heard he wasn’t teaching anymore because he’d had an “emotional affair.” And I was kind of like, so? People get lonely and need to talk. Anyway, it wasn’t my business.

    But here’s my Todd Bentley story. I was about twelve or so, and Todd was speaking at a conference with David Ruis. I’d grown up around David and his music and preaching, so he wasn’t unusual to me. But Todd was. XD Todd was all “I have this word I use, God’s been doing funny things to me lately, and the past few days whenever I say this word, people fall over.” (Or something like that.)

    He had everyone who wanted come up around the stage. I can’t remember if it was just the young people. It might’ve been. Anyway, for some reason, I found myself up there (I don’t remember really being into any of this at the time. I had been trying to read a book during parts of the message, as I was getting bored, but gosh, Todd Bentley was loud.)

    Todd went around the stage saying the nonsense word, making people fall over. When he got in my face and said it, his breath kind of grossing me out, I fell over. It was involuntary, but it did nothing spiritually. I was just thought, “oh well that was weird.” I found no meaning in it beyond that. XD

    Read a couple days ago the UK wouldn’t let him visit because he’s used violence to heal people. Was most strange. I think they should let him in, cause if people want to go see someone like that, they may go right ahead. But I certainty would not be among them.

  24. Well, that’s interesting. I hadn’t realized he’d been divorced and remarried. I had heard he wasn’t teaching anymore because he’d had an “emotional affair.” And I was kind of like, so? People get lonely and need to talk. Anyway, it wasn’t my business.

    But here’s my Todd Bentley story. I was about twelve or so, and Todd was speaking at a conference with David Ruis. I’d grown up around David and his music and preaching, so he wasn’t unusual to me. But Todd was. XD Todd was all “I have this word I use, God’s been doing funny things to me lately, and the past few days whenever I say this word, people fall over.” (Or something like that.)

    He had everyone who wanted come up around the stage. I can’t remember if it was just the young people. It might’ve been. Anyway, for some reason, I found myself up there (I don’t remember really being into any of this at the time. I had been trying to read a book during parts of the message, as I was getting bored, but gosh, Todd Bentley was loud.)

    Todd went around the stage saying the nonsense word, making people fall over. When he got in my face and said it, his breath kind of grossing me out, I fell over. It was involuntary, but it did nothing spiritually. I was just thought, “oh well that was weird.” I found no meaning in it beyond that. XD

    Read a couple days ago the UK wouldn’t let him visit because he’s used violence to heal people. Was most strange. I think they should let him in, cause if people want to go see someone like that, they may go right ahead. But I certainty would not be among them.

  25. Let me just say… WHAT ON EARTH?!? A witch? Huh? Who appeared to you? This is like, out of some fantasy novel.

  26. Kevin, I just happen to stumble across your site, Wow!! I agree with everything your saying. I have been seeing so much of this false gospel rising up in some of the local churches where I’m from, It’s so saddens me and makes me angry at the same time. It seems everywhere I turn people are plugging into the Rick Joyner ministries…I felt like there was something wrong with me, maybe I was being judge mental or something, It’s everywhere…The churches that my family goes to (cousins, uncles, aunts) are all plugging in to MorningStar ministries, I have a group of woman that I get together with for prayer and they are bringing alot of this junk, they are starting to quote alot of the (so called) prophets you mentioned. It’s very sad…but I am very concerned, I am praying about it and asking God what to do. You have encouraged me so much, Thank you!! Stay strong my brother. Keep doing what your doing, it is much needed. In Christ Jesus, Jacki

  27. Thanks for this series. It’s confirming a lot of the things I was thinking all along.

    I just wanted to share with you that the day E List sent me an email that was selling a teaching manual that TB signed, was the day that I emailed them and told them why I was unsubscribing.

  28. Thanks for this series. It’s confirming a lot of the things I was thinking all along.

    I just wanted to share with you that the day E List sent me an email that was selling a teaching manual that TB signed, was the day that I emailed them and told them why I was unsubscribing.

  29. thank you for sharing all this … it is much needed for us sheep …Lord reward you for all the good you are doing … peace and love to you!! mr.ddt

  30. Yup this was a “right on” insight … also when this dude todd said in one of his meetings at lakeland ..that an angel to him that we need to stop look at Jesus so much that we need to take our eyes off of Jesus and pay attention to the spirit .. that was HUGE RED FLAG for me … i like what you said here in that like the children of Israel at sinai most are looking to be spoon fed by a man instead of from God Himself….
    maybe hebrews 13:13 applies at this point

    13 Therefore let us go forth to Him, outside the camp, bearing His reproach…..

    thanx for these posts …i have many friends that are still buying into the lies …it helps to have a place to send them to from someone that was first hand in this and came out …to tell the truth…

    shalom
    mr.ddt

  31. Kevin…I stumbled across your website through another website. Good for You & Praise God you left the Elijah List! I have always felt like something is amiss with this “prophetic website.” I’m not saying all those that penned their names are not true prophets, but it does give you an uneasy feeling realizing they want their glory! The Holy Spirit lets you know this (thank God for Him)! I had an incident happen to me (an attack by the evil one) in 2006….left my church, felt totally lost & without direction, got into an emergent church (and realized after a year or two that they weren’t teaching or discipling the body of Christ) and not feeling connected at all. I started praying that God would please direct me to the church He wanted me to go to, and finally NOW (after all this time) I have found one where I fit in and hear the Word..and its truly a body where we can edify one another. Its been 7 long years (but I feel that it has been a necessary journey to grow closer to God, to be alone with Him and know His direction). It has been very painful time in some respects, but God has been with me. Thank God He gave you the discernment to see what was happening while in the dark place just to learn about what is going on!(Luke 11:34,35) I know it must have been awful on one hand, but Thank you for sharing your experience with us , helping us realize we can all be deceived by these people(spirits)!(Luke12:2) Thank you for encouraging us to “seek God and His Truth and to walk in Love & Forgiveness!” No one said it would ever be an easy road! But with God…All things are possible!! & He makes ALL things work together for good to those who love Him and to them who are the called according to His purpose. So glad I found your website! May God bless your efforts to speak the truth & bring others into salvation for His Kingdom & Glory!!

  32. Hi Kevin,
    Well I stuck it out and read it to the end like you’ve encouraged me to.

    I’ll start first by saying I don’t subscribe to Elijah house. Second just a bit about myself. Like you I’ve had a history in drugs and jail. My first bit was when I was 16, and continued in and out until I was 33. Then Jesus happened, and he shot me into the prayer closet. In the first year and a half I read through the bible five times, not including taking scriptures and chapters memorizing them, then praying them back to Him. I’ve remained in the closet other than to do short mission trips to Mexico or to our local churches prayer meetings.

    I agree with you that, in reading the bible and being still before God is the best way to hear His voice and get into His presence. It will clear away the clutter of the day or from the clutter of life for that matter.

    I don’t normally write on any sites other than emails, so I’m not sure how this goes or how it’s received. Once it’s written, it’s hard to take back and I don’t want to come across”holier than thou”.

    Speaking of discernment, There was a couple of things that stuck out to me. First thing was when you had come back from a certain city, saying you’d found your ministry but then the leadership had to step down due to them being in immorality. Had you considered yourself as the replacement for them? Just a thought.

    I really think once you’ve truly forgiven “them”, this site won’t really matter that much To you.

    Also, you had said that Steve suffers from some kind of malady. I believe your prayers for him would set him free and you free from any lingering hurt. I was once delivered from an issue that I’d struggled with by someone who was praying for me from a distance away.

    It is written that one of Noah’s sons exposed his shame and a curse came on him and then there’s a blessing for covering as well. Remember Love covers.

    As I have read through your 10 letters, I can sense the hurt and had said to myself as I was reading “man that had to hurt”, so I don’t write this with out prayerful consideration in fact Its taken a couple of days to get here and have tried to speak the truth in love.

    I hope you can receive what I’ve said.

    God bless you, I will say a prayer for you.

    Love in Christ
    Rod

  33. Thank you for being so open and honest…. many years ago I was one who butted heads with Steve over the obvious change in direction for the Elijah List…. I hated the selling of God’s word for money and the obvious lack of discernment over the words shared. He was to say the least not very loving…. I pray that God show him the error of his ways and bring him back to the truth!

    However, for many tears I felt guilt over the encounters… that maybe I should not have confronted him and that maybe I was the one who was wrong…. (after all the whole world was worshipping at that altar…right?)

    I see now that the Lord was no where to be found in that “movement”….. and I no longer feel guilty about trying to confront the false prophecy, doctrines of men, and the greed. The most loving thing we can do is to confront the darkness…. whether they will hear or whether they will forebear….. our silence just makes us a part of it.

    Anyway…. thanks again for your openness …. I am sure I am not the only one who struggled in it. Yah bless!

  34. This section reminds me of the day I came home from ‘church’ and told God that I no longer wanted to be a ‘christian’…. and I swear… I heard/felt Him laugh… since then my husband and I have been on the most wonderful journey… walking the Narrow Way with the One who IS the Way….. should have quit that mess years before…. but I always wonder … would I appreciate the relationship we now have with the Lord as much if we had not been lost in all that heresy and deception first… I guess He uses it all to HIS glory… Praise Yah!!

    Bless you, Kevin! Know that even this, (your testimony) He will use for HIS glory in HIS way!!

  35. Yes… they say that they do not have to keep the commandments… (guess that is why they condone adultery and greed and no Sabbath keeping) … BUT God says………………………….

    “…You are free from the curse of The Law, for you are indeed saved by grace and now live because of Me. Behold, even My own Spirit shall enable you to keep The Law., And though you are now free from the curse of The Law, which is death, you are by no means free to break The Law…”

  36. “”…Do not let your heart be caught up in the noise of their speech… Turn a deaf ear, and listen to My voice, only. For though this thing you do is difficult, though it be very hard and wrought with tears and hurt, even as stones cast at you from every side, it shall prosper in due time.

    Understand this… To warn your brothers and sisters, Even to your neighbors and countrymen… Whether they will hear, or whether they will indeed forbear… Remember, this thing you do is LOVE…

    For only an evil man would turn away from warning his fellows, when he has knowledge of coming calamity… And only a wicked man, meet for death, would save himself, while forsaking those nearby to the sword… I am The Lord…””

  37. Hi Kevin,
    I can absolutely relate to your story, in the past years God has opened my eyes to the deception in the “church” and though at a different level, I’ve experienced similar situations. Unfortunately this is happening worldwide (I’m in Argentina) and incredibly sincere christian’s poor reactions to biblical truth and poor discernment are too. It’s comforting to know that God is waking up his body and that one is not alone. As time passes I can see even more clear and as I receive a greater revelation of Christ thru prayer, the Bible and worship, the confusion, questions and fuzziness I used to have towards this counterfeit “christian” movements are vanishing. The pattern I have noticed is that whenever God is not in the picture, meaning that when something is demonic or of the flesh, SENSUALITY is always present (in a smaller or bigger scale) , it is a MAJOR red flag. Notice how the mystics are always relating everything to feelings and touch and emotions, everything to them is sensorial. Notice how false doctrine always lead to sexual sin, perversion, affeminism, homosexuality. Notice how manipulation and witchcraft is always related to sensuality. Col 2:23; Eph 4:19; 2 Peter 2:18;Ezekiel 33:31. So whenever something in appearance is ok and fellow christians just can’t get enough of it, this is one of those things I check for. There’s a hundred more things to write about, just my two cents. God bless!

  38. Be careful how you use the word “partner”… I know what you meant, and that you meant it innocently. But today it means “homosexual lover”. Just a head’s up. Maybe ‘friend’ would be a better word in those contexts.

  39. When I first got saved, I married a guy who divorced me four months later because “it was God’s will because I was a mistake.”

    It took me years to get over this and heal from it. I had to be restored. Todd Bentley sinning in this manner, remarrying, and such in a year tells me his heart is not right.

    Wendy Alec seems to be wanting Todd back to prove that she is a real prophetess. Instead of repenting of her false prophecies and lack of discernment, she is manipulating things. She is not marching under the authority of the Holy Ghost; she is trying to be Lord here. Jezebel comes to mind.

    Repent, Wendy, Todd, Rick and the rest. God is not mocked. Lakeland was hyped by man, continued by man, and shut down by a God who hates false teaching and hypocrisy. Jesus overturned the tables in Lakeland. Praise Him for it. And, He’ll do it again.

    God throw down Durbin! Set up Your kingdom!

  40. I find it a serious issue when a man of God in the capacity of Todd Bentley is criticised publicly by people with blood in their veins, Todd is a man like you and i, each of the twelve had his pesonal floor, Todd is not extraterestial, God has accepted him as he is with his faults, there is certainly a punishment for those judging someone else’s servant, take care learned folk, maybe you better withdraw quietely from his ministrations than to talk about him on internet, God have mercy on you.

    1. In 1 Cor.7:10-11 – The Apostle Paul spoke to wives and said that a wife should not leave her husband, but if she leaves, she should remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband. He clearly pointed out that this was from the Lord. I am sure what Paul said to a wife, he was also saying to a husband as God does not have different rules for wives and husbands. If Todd’s wife did not commit adultery, according to the God, he must either remain unmarried or be reconciled to her. I fail to see what is so hard to understand about this. Christians who want to do what they want to do will come up with all kinds of twisted reasonings to do it. You may say I accept this because I am not in that position. To the contrary, I am in that position. My husband has behaved very wrong towards me. So badly that I had to separate myself from him (which the bible approves according to the verses I quoted above).I am separated from him because I have to, but I have no intention of getting a divorced or to remarry. If I am to be obedient to God’s word, I must remain unmarried or be reconciled to my husband. It is not an easy state, but God did not call us to ease, He called us to obedience. The problem with most of us, American Christians, is that we bought in to the prosperity gospel. We believe that God came into our lives to meet all our wants, to fulfill all our desires and to make us happy. God promised us joy, not happiness. Happiness we get from things, joy comes from the Holy Spirit indwelling us. God promised to be with us through the tough times. That means, we will have tough times. Todd wanted his young, beautiful girl to bring him happiness. He refused to put in the hard work and prayer time needed to fix his relationship with his wife or live alone.

  41. Hi I was wondering where I can read the rest of this wonderful truth you talk about on this page .. I can’t find the rest of it….
    This has so been an answer to prayer for me to find this…for I went running away from all of this about 6 years ago …….. I too wanted more of God and was so blasted by all of this new found stuff … then I hit a wall and that is when I feel the Lord open my eyes to the prostituting of the Holy Spirit is what I call it ….now with reading all of the stuff on your page it is such a breath of fresh air for me like I felt I was lost and could not find my way …now I feel I have found a key I have been long awaiting to find….My friend just posted this on FB today and this was the key I needed…………….
    True Revival

    We need to understand that True Revival doesn’t come with healing, signs and wonders… in fact, they are a tell-tale sign of deception in the Last Days. True Revival doesn’t come because of a perceived supernatural bliss that may (or may not) be God.

    True Revival comes only when a people, or a nation, Truly Repent… and, as long as the people can be entertained by “prophetic celebrity” and controversial healings, signs and wonders… they will not confront their own sins.

    May we all seek Truth in these Last Days.

    For the Truth,

    Kevin Kleint

    Thank You so very much Kevin, I look forward to reading the rest of the My 7 Years Working for the Elijah List – The Testimony of Kevin Kleint”

  42. STARTING WITH THE TORONTO BLESSING & THEN GETTING INVOLVED WITH THE ELIJAH LIST, IT TOOK A FEW YEARS TO GET OUT. SPENDING A WEEK LISTENING TO TODD BENTLY MADE ME START TO WONDER JUST WHAT WAS I INVOLVED WITH. TO MAKE A LONG STORY SHORT THE LORD SHOWED ME & HAVE BEEN FREE FROM ALL OF IT. I HAVE NOT FOUND A GROUP IN THE SPRINGFIELD/ EUGENE AREA THAT I WANT TO BE INVOLVED WITH, BUT GOD IS STILL GOD

    1. Hey are you speaking about Springfield, Missouri or somewhere else? I think there is a Springfield, Ohio too, but not sure.

      I will be moving to Branson on Mon. or Tue. of next week from North Carolina. If it’s Springfield then you will only be about 45 minutes north of me…Let me know. Maybe we’ll connect, and I can show you my two new books, I am an author, and have 2 published so far with 3 more in the works…

  43. YES, I have to add 2 cents here. I agree with what you are saying, and I know many people who claim to be are NOT what they claim. They are fake, deceived, superficial souls. They have ALL the answers, and they are going out in the secret rapture that is just for “them” and other Christians. They are saved by GRACE, they have No works to do now. They’re warming the pews each week waiting on the imminent return of JESUS CHRIST to earth to take them home (just like that).They believe every word their pastor utters.

    In reality they are deceived, they don’t know what’s going to happen, they are asleep at the wheel, their heads are buried in the sand and they are NOT walking their talk…

    And that is what I think which reminds me of what you just wrote.

    Thanks for the truth, “AND WHEN YOU KNOW THE TRUTH, THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE.”

  44. Kevin
    It is good to see the path that the people of God have traveled, the things they have seen and been a part of. As Paul Harvey said, Looking forward to “the rest of the story”.

    Rich

  45. Keith, as always your insights to the errors in this type of “ministry” are greatly appreciated. Wes Mason Pastor Mt Hermon Baptist Church Caroline Co VA.

  46. Kevin, thank you for sharing this. I have often wondered why everything seemed to be “encouraging” and “positive” that came out of the Elijah List. I am very surprised that they would sometimes reword submissions before publishing! I had no idea.

  47. As I am reading this, my heart is heavy. My granddaughter told me last evening she is going to be going to Bethel School of Supernatural Mimistry. I have warned her before about Bethel but she will not listen, she has been a counselor at Mercy Ministries ( which I was not crazy about, they teach Joyce Meyer stuff) but now wants more. I believe her heart is restless, she is 28, not married, and cannot find fulfillment t. She is smart, beautiful, caring personality, but goes for thing to thing. It is so difficult today. I have 6 grandchildren, not one goes to church regularly, even though they were all brought in church, Christian school, strong Christian parents and grandparents. This world is upside down. I cry every day Lord, save my family!

    1. I feel for you Betty, if you can get her to subscribe, I’m going to be releasing my testimony followed by the online version of “Prophetic Masquerade” … maybe she would be open to learning from this?

  48. Divorce and remarriage while the covenant spouse is still living is the biggest sin in the church.

    *Covenant marriage=marriage between two people never married before or marriage between two people with neither one have a living covenant spouse.

  49. Thank you for sharing all of this. I’m still working through all of the deception I’ve been taught. Oh the EIC is everywhere. God bless.

  50. Everyone of those men mentioned who “bravely” embraced and reinstated Bentley are false prophets and reprobate leaders, self appointed know-it-alls who have done nothing but manipulate the Word of God to “take the name of the Lord in vain”. In case most people don’t know the true mean of that Commandment, more Bible study and research is needed.

    I have never seen such egregious handling of God’s Word in order to maintain their money making schemes and lifestyles! Rick Joyner (of the Knight’s Templar) and his contemptible church should be at the very least ostracized and condemned by everyone who has any inkling of the true working of the Holy Spirit. When I witnessed (on a website) what was going on there, I was so appalled that I thought any moment God might strike them all dead – much like He did the calf worshipers at Sinai! It was frightening!

    Unless we study God’s Word to show ourselves approved by rightly dividing His Word and learning the truth so that we know the truth, we are subject to being deceived by some flamboyant, quick talking strutter who’s found out he/she can make a lot of money by talking loud and entertaining with cute stories with a few scriptures they’ve memorized thrown in for good measure.

    We have here a pretty good indicator that sure enough, we are in the last days.

  51. Todd Bentley: I was never taken with him but did start to watch the Lakeland meetings. I think I watched 2 and turned it off but I did catch the commissioning service and sat in amazement as I asked God, :where are these people who are so high up in “evangelistic” circles failing to have any discernment but they did. Totally missed it!!
    These so called NAR apostles are still spreading it around. I thank my God daily for discernment and continue to ask for it to be increased with all the false prophets and teachers (Elijah List being a big one).

  52. If you compare Exod 19:9 with Deut 5:28, It seems God wanted Israel to trust Moses as His spokesman always (NIV) & even said it was good that Israel feared God. God was not rebuking Israel in these passages for not wanting Him to come & speak them personally. It was so they’d trust & fear God because He appointed Moses to be their spokesman (always). I just don’t think this text can be used as an example to believers today who refuse to hear God for themselves,but would rather be spoon fed.

    Thanks for sharing & I’ve been very blessed with your website!
    Greg

  53. THE ONLY WAY ANY OF US CAN KEEP FROM BEING TAKEN BY THESE PEOPLE, IS TO BE IN THE WORD EVERY DAY & LET THE HOLY SPIRIT REVEAL THE TRUTH. HAVING BEEN TO ONE OF HIS $100 WEEK MEETINGS, I SOON STARTED QUESTIONING WHAT WAS GOING ON. BEING SET FREE FROM ALL THE NONSENCE THAT IS OUT THERE CALLING ITSELF GOD IS WONDERFUL

  54. My family too, fell under the disillusionment of Todd Bentley and the Lakeland Revival. We went 11 times and fell hook, line, and sinker into the fiasco. My mom still has gold teeth in the back of her mouth. I think they are a reminder for us going forward. I bought the soaking CD that Todd Bentley had and listened to it at home. My husband immediately thought it was weird. It took me one afternoon to encounter a spirit that I knew was not the Holy Spirit. I cried out to God with my whole heart for truth and to not be deceived again. Our Creator has honored that prayer in 2008 and brought us back into his word and his truth. It has been 8 years and we wouldn’t change any of it. If we had not gone to Lakeland, we may still be where we were. It truly was a life changing experience for us. Now, we follow Yahweh’s true word and feast days, his Shabbat, forsaking the man made holidays. Our God is awesome and if you just ask him….He will show you his truth and the path he would have you to follow.

  55. Hello Kevin,

    I actually bought the Kindle Fire edition of your book, which I haven’t finished reading yet. I have enjoyed reading it, but I wanted to make a comment on false prophets. Please understand, this is just my personal experience.

    First of all, I removed myself from a ‘brick and mortar’ church because of so much untruth in so many of them. At least in the ones that I went to. Second, I’ve always been able to ‘see’ spirits, and to know when someone was lying to me. I have watched, on youtube.com, many of the prophets of today, as well as some of the preachers. There are so many of them that are just not true to our Heavenly Father. I have even seen at least one in person.

    He certainly wasn’t a prophet of our Father.

    I am a Christian, although I did spend some time in a backslidden state. I have been busy studying the bible, reading books from other people. You might believe how many of these authors write about biblical things that they just don’t have quite right, not that I know everything, either.

    Thanks for listening.

    1. I have a pretty good handle on when someone is BS’ing me because I’ve studied scripture enough to know when they are taking out of context, adding to or taking away from scripture. They can’t hoodwink me because the spirit of YHWH brings to remembrance scripture as they yak at me. It’s the spirit that helps and warns me not anything I do. I glad I don’t see or hear spirits, would not be able to tell a good one from a bad one seeing as to how their master can appear as an angel of light I’m pretty sure they can too. That is why it is absolutely critical that each of us know the scriptures intimately. That IS our only defense against error.

  56. I have said it many times and I will say it again.
    If people that profess to be Children of God and have ask Jesus to forgive their sin AND then read the Holy Bible on a regular basis (ie, daily) and not relay on someone else to interpret the Holy Book they would not get going on the wrong road.
    Jesus said the the Holy Spirit would be a helper and He will help each person to understand and to reject the errors that are in the church world today.
    Also if people would pay attention to what the leaders in their church are doing not just saying, if it does not stack up to what the Bible teaches, run do not walk away from them and find with the Holy Spirits help a truly Bible teaching and believing church.

  57. These fakers remind me of times past (1970’s & ’80’s) when the Prosperity message was in full swing; teachers (I call them prancing horses) touting and spouting scriptures (completely out of context) to “help” you understand that God wants you to be prosperous! Who got rich?! Yep, the Prosperity teachers! Recently I heard one of them boast about being a billionaire!! To my knowledge he’s never worked a day in his life!
    I watched buckets of money being passed through throngs of thousands of people who honestly believed that their giving to these charlatons would “open the windows of heaven and God would pour out blessings [money] upon them, the which they could not contain”! Sound familiar? But they gave and the Copeland’s, Hinn’s, Tilton’s, Dollar’s et al, got richer. (You’re wondering why I was there. I was watching because I couldn’t believe what I’d heard about them! To my astonishment, it was all true!)
    It’s the same hypocritical approach these “so-called prophets” use to gain confidence and credibility….using bits and pieces of particular scriptures….to prove their “special calling”. We all have access to the same Word of God that these people have, and not one of them has a “special word from God” that you and I don’t have access to by spending time in that Word and in prayer and fasting. True, we can learn from one another because, as a for instance, older saints (as a rule) are more mature and grounded having walked in Righteousness – wisdom and knowledge – for many years.
    Experiential knowledge gives me pause to doubt, and that’s what so many of these late day prophets lean toward. They believe they’ve had a special encounter with the Holy Spirit, yet, many of these “angels of light”, imposters of the Holy Spirit, are the teachers of these false leaders/prophets, and too many believers don’t know the difference! Be careful what you hear and test/prove everything and everyone….I Thess. 5:21…..lest you be led astray believing doctrines of demons.

  58. Touch not mine anointed!, Ya I hear you brother. I’m just amazed you put up with it for 7 years! Most people who are in organized religion are either spiritually blind, ignorant of scripture or tares (pretenders). YHWH has provided enough information now through websites like this and others that there is no excuse left for anyone to remain in Babylon (organized religion, churches). The scriptures does not support the system of organized religion that is now practiced, it does not have YHWH’s approval, that is why he calls it Mystery Babylon, The Mother of Harlots. He commands us to come out of her so we don’t partake of her plagues when he lowers the boom on her and his wrath comes crashing down on her. I’d like to see more discourse from you on home groups, how believers are to fellowship outside “organized church” because believe me he has not set it up for us to reform organized religion before he returns, on the contrary he tells us that there will indeed be a great falling away from the faith before he returns. Forget revival ain’t gonna happen, not prophesied to happen.

  59. You are very right dear Kevin. I have friends who are in Elijsh List, etc., and there is nothing one can do. It is almost like Christian fortune telling.

  60. Deuteronomy 13:1-3 “If a prophet or a dreamer of dreams arises among you and gives you a sign or a wonder, and the sign or the wonder comes true, concerning which he spoke to you, saying, ‘Let us go after other gods (whom you have not known) and let us serve them,’ you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams; for the LORD your God is testing you to find out if you love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.

  61. I always thought grace just meant God saving you even though you don’t deserve it or merit it. I like the Titus 2:11-15 points you highlighted, that’s my new defination of grace I’ll use. Anyone who seriously studies the scriptures can not help but plainly, clearly see that being “saved” requires our obedience, you can not just “accept Jesus into your heart” and then just go your merry way living like you always lived because Christ “did it all” we don’t have to do anything! If you believe that you should feel the flames of the Lake of Fire lapping at your feet. Nobody is that ignorant of scriptures and what’s required of us are they!

  62. Very good article Kevin. Indeed, the things you are sharing in regards to the error of the holiness movement, is the same perspective I have given in regards to the error of CCM (Contemporary Christian Music) and CMM (Contemporary Messianic Music) within most of the professing church systems, including Judaism, and Christianity. CCM and CMM pop music has wicked roots. The deceptions go deep and many are caught in the sway. Keep shining the light of the Truth brother!

    1. Mr. Most: Thank you so much for addressing the devilish music that we’re hearing in the churches now. Being a musician since I was 7 years old, I’m appalled at what I’m hearing! Anyone who knows and understands chord structure and progression (and even if you don’t, you still have ears to hear), recognizes immediately that the dissonance is really a creation of satan. I continue to ask, knowing that our God is a God of harmony and balance, how can anyone believe that this new progressive, dissident sound can bless Him?! It’s a horrible racket to my ears….much like iron screeching on iron. Horrible!

      1. I like Christian music that is melodic and doctrinally pure. Didn’t David mention ‘sing to the Lord a new song’ ? I do not care for lyrics I find offensive. One on the radio lately says, “Tell your heart to beat again..” What? We are dead in sin (picture Lazarus) until born again… so what does this mean? Another says, “your hand is holding me, even when I don’t believe it’… What? That just doesn’t sit with me.

        But the Apostasy has begun… I hear Christian radio reading quotes from ‘Jesus Calling’ and ads for the ‘Awakening’ events. The truly elect of God seem to be a ‘small flock.’.

  63. 66% accuracy? Are they kidding? Any prophet of God MUST be 100% accurate or they are a false prophet. God does not deal in “almost right”. It amazes me how anyone can keep going back for more from these jokers. Blind leading the blind I suppose. The problem as I see it is exactly as you said, most “Christians” do not want to take the time to check what these so called prophets & teachers are saying / teaching AGAINST what the scriptures actually teach! That is a dangerous attitude to take (just believing what you’re told). That laziness, that just believing not checking, no love of or for the truth, will put them in the group that Jesus rejects from his kingdom as he states in Matthew 7:22-23 “Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name? and in your name have cast out devils? and in your name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess to them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity (lawlessness).

    In the name of Jesus this, In the name of Jesus that. Like just saying that phrase “In the name of Jesus” is some kinda magical abracadabra, hocus pocus God HAS to do whatever they say. NO! God will not honor anyone who is in deliberate sin, deliberate rebellion.

    Any believer who practices what they know is transgressing God commandments (fornication, adultery, homosexuality) WILL NOT BE USED BY GOD, in fact God turns his face from those and will not listen to their prayers.

    Lazy sheep will get sheared by wolves in sheep clothing because they love the feel good, you can sin (once you accept Jesus into your heart your in!) does not matter what you do “Jesus paid it all” so live how you want it don’t affect you salvation message these wolves teach. These are the same pew warmers who stand and sing “trust and obey” never really looking at the message of the song trust & OBEY.

  64. Wow and wow! Such truth and sadly most of those involved with these are so blinded that they will not believe one word of the truth. They LOVE their deception and as the bible says…they love it so. Makes you horrified and yet nothing seems to horrify the Body these days. Like dummed down sheep led to the slaughter. Drugged with total lies.They seem incapable of reading and learning the bible for themselves and they never rarely pray. It is easier to pay these ones to do the work for them. And they will be sadly the ones to immediately take the Mark of the Beast.

  65. Can you see it? It is so clear, that kundalini, demonic spirit that is demonstrated in Todd Bentley as Paul Cain lays hands on him and transfers his “anointing” or should I say “evilness” onto him. The only angel that speaks over him is Satan himself. Things are getting more wicked by the day!

    Psalms91:2- I will say to YAHUAH: My refuge and my fortress, my Aluahym; I will trust in Him. 91:3-
    for He delivers you from the fowlers snare, from destruction’s plague.

  66. As always many thanks for sharing your journey with us. While a chaplain in a local jail I had a similar experience with seeing a spirit being. I was calling for bible study that evening going from day room to day room calling though the bars letting them know it starts in 5 minutes if they want to come out. I got to the last day room and hollered bible study and a very angry young black man was standing by the bars and he yelled F bible study and F you to. There was a very large shadow outline behind him. close to 7 feet tall it startled me and I remember thinking so there you are. I just went to the bible study and we started by praying that any unclean spirit would be bound and that God word would fall on fertile ground that evening. Had some satanist come one evening cast curses on me as I preached. They had no impact as I stood in power of the Holy Spirit and preached Jesus to the many inmates there.

  67. Thanks Kevin for all your reports. I appreciate your honesty and clarity in your sharing with us the past deception you saw and worked around. I personally have gleaned greater spiritual insight leading to the truth from reading all you e-mails over the last several years. Because of Jesus; bro, Mike

  68. Thanks for this good and honest article, Kevin. Food for thought, for me. I tend to push down those ‘uncomfortable feelings’, when perhaps I shouldn’t.

  69. At one time or another, we all have come in contact with the likes of these “prophets”….or we will, eventually, because they’re out there and they are proliferating.

    These are the last of the last days and sin abounds. When God’s judgment comes to the place where He expects attention to be given to HIM and to HIS Word and not to those who have drawn attention to themselves and their prophetic prognostications, He will clean house just as Jesus cleared the Temple of the money changers. (It’s all about the money, name and fortune with these people) Pray the Lord will give us a discerning spirit to be aware of the ravening wolves who sneak in.

    Kevin, sometimes a woman (wife) can “sense” something before a husband can, and especially in another woman. I’ve noted this for years and experienced it often myself.

    This is not to say that a woman is more “spiritual” than a man, but I believe it’s an innate gift given to us by God as we see to our house (Prov. 31), meaning to look after and protect. Husbands, pay attention to your wife. Most times, her suspicions are well founded IF she is a woman well grounded in the Word of God.

  70. Hi Kevin, listening to LBC on the radio today was a similar case, where the lady was of catholic background and was quite adamant that any person that was convinced they were of a different sex or fancied the same sex relationship was ok as the love of God was all that it say’s it is, God’s love would overlook their transgressions of sex with the same gender. The other point of view came from a Christian guy who was equally adamant that while God is love and holy, He would not overlook that type of relationship and the persons concerned were sinning and needed a lifestyle change. The woman then reiterated that God is love, and love covers all things. This brought to mind the woman who was about to be stoned for adultery, where Jesus said let he who is without sin cast the first stone, the crowd dropped their stone and slowly dispersed. When they had gone Jesus asked her, “Woman, where are your accusers? Has no one condemned you?” “No one, Lord.” she answered. “Neither I do condemn you”. Jesus declared. “Now Go and sin no more” Yes God in His love forgives, but then the rest is down to us, realise your mistakes, repent, and go and sin no more.

      1. That woman on the radio was deceitful. According to the scriptures, In the beginning GOD made them male and female. Matthew 19:4,5,6

        Praise Jesus that he did not come to condemn us but to save us. The Lord did tell the woman caught in adultery to sin no more. He judged her but did not sentence her to death/condemn her as those sinful men would have.

        There are many people all over the web, radio, TV and anyplace they can get a hearing that are taking the love of GOD & the Lord Jesus Christ out of context. That woman on the radio is just one of a long list of people who are twisting GOD’s holy word.

        2 Corinthians 5:11 – Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.

  71. Sadly the youth today have no concept of who God really is and what the bible says. That is why there are so few saved and transformed into Godly young men and women. Youth have a right to hear the real truth as much as we adults do. We went as missionaries to the Former Soviet Union and founded a Russian speaking church with only the converts we made on the streets. We preached the whole truth on the streets and in our newly founded church and the ones who were the most attracted to us were the youth. Our church ended up being 80% youth and what powerful men and women they became for Christ. We started a bible school and they would walk miles to get there to hear the truth. It drove home to us the fast that you can give youth the truth and they will love it and live it! They learned what holiness was and became mighty intercessors as well as great witnesses in the streets. God expects to give the whole truth to the young and the old alike. How pleased the Lord must be to see them love and obey Him so faithfully. We are so thankful. It is not us but the Lord and His word that gets all the glory.

  72. Kevin, once more I thank you for your honesty. A family member is bisexual and under the influence of new age gay people. They have rejected the concept of sin and there for salvation. We pray for them daily to have the eyes of their heart opened to his need for Christ and that the Lord would draw them into his Kingdom.

  73. Thank you for these writings, Kevin. They are very valuable and important. Your courage is an inspiration. God bless you!

  74. I have been watching this development for years…..watching how the very young, unequipped (spiritually speaking), with very little knowledge and absolutely no wisdom…..placing young people in places and positions of responsibility where they have no business. I was even told that younger people could more easily “relate” to the younger generation (I was in my 40’s!!!) thus better able to hold their attention and keep them interested in the Bible studies! Please! Keeping them interested meant keeping them entertained and hyped up on such nonsensical AND non-biblical tripe as self-esteem, specialness because “you are a holy generation”, and making sure that good times were in store every time they came to church! NOTE: There is a time and place for everything.
    If you watch them on tv, turn off the sound and just watch. They look exactly like a rock concert with the blind and dead in complete control of the chaos! Now turn up the sound, and it sounds like screaming demons let loose! The music is totally discordant, unholy, irreverent, and loud! Very LOUD!
    So, who is being recognized and worshipped, here?! The youth. No knowledge of Who our Great and Sovereign God is nor how He is to be worshipped.

    David was a child that God used to His own Glory, but it took years for David to become a man, and what a struggle that was! That’s a story about “growing up in the Lord” for another day.

    1. Many people speak of David as a child, however at the first mention of David in scripture he was a man, a young man, yet a man. There is nothing that I have found in the scriptures that speaks of David as a child I think this is carry over from the institutional churches incorrect Sunday school teachings.

  75. “As we draw nearer to the end of the age, I know that there will be a large influx of people who will come into the Kingdom. But it will be made up of, not just the youth, but babies, children, old people, middle aged people, black, white, Hispanic, etc..”

    Kevin I’m following all of the articles although I’ve not commented on each, what is to add in most cases.

    The above quote has me puzzled. I always thought things were going to be almost the opposite. Not a large influx but a great falling away.

    1. I actually agree with you, Rich. This series was released in 2011 and I have learned a lot since then… I have thought about re-vamping the testimony to address the issues that may conflict with my current views, but I have so many other writing projects on my plate that the re-vamp continues to take a backseat.

      1. Praise GOD & the Lord Jesus Christ for removing you from that error. Be strong, I myself had to leave a Baptist “church” because they began to teach Rick Warren whom I had already looked into and found that he is a charlatan. The next place I went to was no better. Just people still wallowing in their sins of which the Lord had already set me free from. Deception is at every turn. The world trying to cause you to stumble, so-called pastors, family and anyone Satan can place in your path. Stay grounded in the word of GOD & the Lord Jesus Christ and you are safe. Examine all who name the name of Jesus and GOD our Father with GOD’s holy word.

        May GOD Bless you and your Family Kevin!

    2. He does mention a great falling away. I just found his site today. So I don’t know if that mention was in the original blog post or recently updated.

  76. Amen, thank you for sharing your journey to victory in Christ Jesus. I was involved with the word of faith movement from 80 until 85 when God used a wonderful elderly women to open my eyes to the error of that movement. Speaking out is not revenge it is sharing the truth in love.

  77. Very Dear Kevin. Almost 3 years ago the Lord removed me from the apostasy. I have very few friends. Very few. I even see it coming into the Pentacostal church. There are some books being promoted that I know are wrong. But ofcourse, if I said anything, I would be the one in the wrong. Thank you for sharing your testimony. You are 100% correct, the Lord bless you and yours.

  78. I m glad I got to read what God’s put on yr heart believe it’s true and will continue reading . Ty .as far as other people who Dnt understand and Dnt Really have God leading them have mercy for them . Jesus did say we would be pursecution for His name sake. You keep your head up .love Heidi He’s coming soon.

  79. I appreciate your heart and hard work, honesty and integrity…God bless you and your family…

  80. I am so grateful the Holy Sprit pull me out for the past 4 and a half years. My eyes were opened to the truth and it has been a long road of washing, repenting and cleansing of myself in Word of truth.
    Thank you for being a man of integrity and speaking out. May we all join in reaching out to those who are lost in this sea of falsehood.
    Bless you Kevin and your family for the sacrifice of this work.

  81. Hi Kevin,

    Your testimony and finding your blog two years ago really opened my eyes and I have the Holy Spirit to thank for giving me discernment and leading me here. If it weren’t for your blog, I would be totally entrenched in the prophetic movement since I was listening to people claim that God was giving them messages for me; messages and words that have never ever come true. They even claimed that gold dusted them when the Holy Spirit overtook them! Ha! I pray that everyone who believes in false prophets has their eyes open to the truth that God has set forth in His Word! As it says in 1 John 4:1, Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

    God bless you and your family and keep on keepin on sharing and writing!

  82. Here is a quote by AW Pink from Practical Christianity:

    “As God commanded the light to shine out of that darkness which enveloped the old creation (Gen. 1:2, 3), so He does in the work of new creation within each of His elect. That supernatural enlightenment consists not in dreams and visions, nor in the revelation to the soul “of anything which has not been made known in the Scripture of Truth, for it is “The entrance of Your words (which) gives light” (Ps. 119:130). Yes, the entrance: but before that takes place, the blind eyes of the sinner must first be miraculously opened by the Spirit, so that he is made capable of receiving the light: it is only in God’s light we “see light” (Ps. 36:9). The shining of God’s light in our hearts partially and gradually dissipates the awful ignorance, blindness, error, prejudice, unbelief of our souls, thereby preparing the mind to (in measure) apprehend the Truth and the affections to embrace it. By this supernatural illumination the soul is enabled to see things as they really are (1 Cor. 2:10-12), perceiving his own depravity, the exceeding sinfulness of sin, the spirituality of the Law, the excellency of truth, the beauty of holiness, the loveliness of Christ.”
    You can read all his writing free at the web site:

    I spend my days reading sound bible exposition. I hope you will too.

  83. Kevin,

    I personally want to thank you for your writings and speaking out, for being bold and standing up for what is right.

    Actually, I had been out of the “church” for awhile because well, since I got saved at 17 years of age, I always had questions between the word and what was happening in the church. Something was missing. Also, in this day and age, there are so many signs happening in the world that told me, we are in the Last Days. Then I called out to my Father to show me, to show me truth, to show me His way and shortly thereafter He “called” me back into truth and I have since learned so much….the floodgates are truly opened and He is preparing me to “go into battle”, to speak truth, to not be afraid, for the time is coming when I must speak out as my Father prepares the way.
    Your post was one of the first that I read and it was spot on with what my spirt was discerning. Thank you so much, I had no idea that things were this bad! I have family involved with Bethel Church and just had no idea and learned of their deep deception. How my heart grieves for them, the pain so deep that I could just feel my Father’s pain and tears.

    We are being called, it is the Father’s plan, there’s much to be done, for time is short!

    Keep speaking TRUTH and may you be abundantly Blessed!

  84. Could not agree more, too many smoke and mirrors out there distracting the believers.
    Start carrying your Bible and read, read and read……………let the Holy Spirit teach you and your path will become clear…….

  85. Thank you Kevin. After 6 month of crying and repenting for the ways in which I was actually living, I then turn to His word. doing only what YHWH said. I am so glad you mentioned all the CDs in this post. Yes, they are a constant reminder of those day I have been trying so hard to turn from in my memory. The words are often unbiblical and by playing them it is like casting falsehood over myself again and again. As you said so well, I don’t need them!
    This is a long hard road. It has now been about 4 years and I am just beginning to be a bit rebalanced. I still have a long way to go find and staying on that narrow path. Praise God and all Glory be to him who has led me to the truth and life of his Word.
    Bless you brother.

  86. Staying constant in prayer and Bible study is the only way to extricate one’s self from past relationships and experiences. I know. I’ve been free of them for over 30 years. Have I made mistakes, made poor judgments, had to repent and start again? Sure have, but one thing I learned: leave all the “how to” books alone. The Word of God is sufficiently saves and efficiently restores.

    Almost every evangelistic show (yes, I mean “show”) on tv is about selling you something to help in your spiritual growth. Baloney! Not needed. The Holy Spirit is teacher and guide enough. Always ask Him to guide you as you study the scriptures.
    And be careful who you listen to, also. Test everything and everyone. They better measure up to God’s Word, or they are not worth listening to.

  87. Kevin, Thank you for confirming what I have come to believe in the last 2 years. Pray before you Read your Bible, Read your Bible, Read your Bible and when a verse jumps out at you study it! I am not doing bible studies and reading other authors books. I am studying Hebrew teachings and learning to listen to God through his word Thanks for fiercely telling the truth

  88. This was good … I needed to hear just this type of thing at the end of this long day. You are so right … the spiritual movements out there have left some of us very confused. I am 65, recently retired, and feeling very empty. It is so true, I believe, that ‘other spirits’ have entered into some of our lives unwittingly, as we tried to be so ‘open to the Spirit’. These were good and solid words of advice. Now that I am retired, there is no excuse (nor ever was) for me not to get back into His Word and spend more time alone with the Lord. Thank you for this encouragement. Much needed at this time.

  89. This is some good stuff Kevin Keep it up My Brother.I have not been in the Word like I should and everything is pointing me to read the word from sermons to what I just read on your Post.
    Thank you, Blair

  90. I saw Todd Bentley several yrs ago in Dallas with a young friend.(I am elderly). I was discerning back that the Spirit was missing . Today I happen to check out elijahlist and saw that Todd was streaming. Still have same discernment. I agree with you about staying in the Word and entering .His gates with thanksgiving and His courts with praise. It is an attitude of the heart. But I do enjoy the worship if it is Christ centered vs me centered.

    There was a prophesy today about something new from God that may look evil but is good….seriously???? In the end of time the good shall be called evil and evil good.

    God Bless you for speaking out. and keeping it real

  91. Catching up on articles. Once again, this one was sooo good. I really relate to the discouragement that happened in your life after your time with the Elijah list. This has been happening to me, also, as I have been slowly coming out of a type of Latter Rain offshoot, something I have been a part of since 1978 and even earlier in some ways. Very difficult time here … but seeking as never before to be solid in His WORD. I so respect & appreciate your honesty, Kevin, as you speak of the phases of your life that you have gone through. It gives encouragement and hope to others – like myself.

  92. Fascinating and confirmation. Been a Christian for 40 years….mostly
    Bible teaching churches but often much was incorrect by omission as well as comission. Though it was a slippery journey with many deceptive twists and turns , somehow I was anchored/sealed in Him. His amazing sovereign grace and am still standing in Him and Him alone.

    Go figure. thank You Lord.

  93. Once again, Kevin, you clearly explain the reality of the deception plaguing the body of Christ and how a God fearing and loving follower of Christ needs to address apostasy. And you clearly state what is real love, “… speaking the truth in love, we will grow to become in every respect the mature body in Him who is the head, that is, Christ .” Thank you and God bless you and your family and all those brothers and sisters the Lord has brought out and separated from so much error and delusion. Please continue to share as Holy Spirit leads you as it surely ministers truth and is a confirming witness. I still daily marvel at God”s goodness to spare me, my husband and so many more souls and deliver us from seducing and lying spirits. Bless God!!

  94. I have seen these things, I have seen narcissist, sociopathic behavior that vilifies individuals when one exposes the pathological lying to keep building, advancing, and protecting the kingdom of man. There are some leaders who actually believe they are building the kingdom of God by destroying and scattering the sheep. In their sociopathic thinking they believe certain sheep are of no value to them. Even if lies have been exposed and their is a spirit of witchcraft that seduces the minds that they believe the lies to be true. This is the spirit against the glory of God. This falling away from the faith and truth of the word of God will usher in the Lawless one, the antichrist. It is already happening by believers in covenant with demons for their prophetic words. And at the same time Gods Holy Spirit can still be and is present working in the brokenness of these churches. They call themselves revivalist churches.
    1. What is being revived is forms of withcraft. 2. They need revival of the truth of God’s Holy Word.

    -Anthony

  95. Hi Kevin,

    Thank you so much for being honest about your experience.

    We are Australians, teaching in Malaysia at present, and have pretty much the same background as you describe for yourself. We have also had a (large) family – all grown up now. We have lately really enjoyed Torben Sondergaard, “The Last Reformation”, lately.

    Bless you as you continue in the journey.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zka4DUYeJ5g

    David

  96. This is such a remarkable testimony. I just recently switched churches due to Gods calling for me to the Apostolic ministry and I am learning so many things of spiritual wickedness in high places. I only thought that I knew what that meant until I joined this new ministry. This testimony also helps me to be watchful and prayerful and to pray for more discernment to know exactly where to enemy lies. May God bless you in your endeavoring and keep you protected and covered in Jesus name.

  97. Thanks, Kevin.

    I had a self-appointed “spiritual mother” who kinda drug me down this road in high school and college. Witnessed the manifestations, her and her husband’s prophesy – along with the other folks they continued to associate themselves with including the Elijah List conferences…never saw much of any fruit from anyone. Instead, I saw a lot of self-righteous power struggles, division, need for titles and adoration, etc. When I questioned it, I just wasn’t “under spiritual authority” and “had a lot to learn” about this and that. I took the opportunity to bow out of their circles when I moved out of the area, only still expected to return when I visited home, etc – which made it more clear to me as a complete outsider that things were whack. I eventually had to cut most of these people off, as many had become divisive with each other, leaving me somewhat in the middle when I didn’t agree with my “spiritual parents”. All in all, I’m glad I didn’t get too involved – I couldn’t get past the fruit to jump in with both feet (I was told I had a spirit of doubt, rebellion, slumbering spirit…you name it). However, I still struggle with the remnants it left behind, trying to decipher hearing from the Lord, etc. Thanks for your story and putting this information out there for folks like me trying to grasp what is going on b/c nothing looks or sounds right.

  98. These spirits you mention are serving the spirit of Jezebel herself, pastors and other ministers are Ahabs who allow this spirit to rule in exchange for money. Look at Joel and Victoria Osteen. Contrast them by watching an old broadcast of John & Dodie Osteen in which every word was a scripture. That’s an object lesson for where the church has gone in 30 years.

  99. I’ve really, really enjoyed this series. In nearly 30 years of walking with the Lord (including a lot of time running away from Him) He’s had to rebuild our foundation torn down by 7th Day Adventism, Charismatic church junkism & Word of Faith errors. Sticking to the Word of God never fails, all the other bells and whistles usually do. I’m curious as to what you think of Charisma Magazine. I watched 5 minutes of a YouTubed webinar with two of the editors and had to turn it off because, without naming names, I found the woman to be incredibly masculine and the man quite effeminate, something one would never pick up on in posted articles.

  100. True prophets care not for their reputation but the Reputation of Father. I wrote to Elijah list when their “prophecies” did not come to pass and told them that in respect, for the people who read their list and are made in the Image of The LORD, they should admit the errors and deal with them. Their lack of concern for the false was a major red flag.

    In Judaism they teach you, with one example being that of Jonah, that a negative prophecy can be changed but a non-negative situation prophesied that does not come to pass, makes the “prophet” false. Bilaam (Baalam) was not a false prophet though he had a wicked heart and was ultimately destroyed.

  101. Is it that same type of thinking among Christians what caused them to vote for Donald Trump, who displays many of the same characteristics that you mentioned about Todd Bentley?

    1. But in the case of Donald Trump — we were not selecting a prophet or pastor, and if you really understood Hillary Clinton and her agenda, Trump was like a saint compared to her! Also — much of what people read in the media was greatly distorted about Trump.

  102. I am glad I stumbled upon your site. I have had an uneasy feeling about many of these “prophets” for years, but nothing other than discernment and several questions without answers to back it up. This is not a lot to approach leadership with when you are questioning their cherished beliefs. You have given me confidence in my reaction to this movement. I considered the fact that you may be a disgruntled employee, but you answered all my concerns about the Elijah List, and the Holy Spirit has me at peace with what you’ve said. Now I am even more confident that I am correct in my fears.

  103. Thank your or sharing this info. I went to the Lakeland revival and frankly I received two hearings (one while watching on TV and one while there in the afternoon meeting (not with Bentley). However, this was being pitched as THE revival that was going to sweep the world. I was having problems in my marriage and a brother virtually condemned me for not bringing my wife there to get healing for our marriage. When Todd’s sins were exposed I was very grateful I did bring my wife there for help. I do not know the whole picture — and I doubt the author of this piece knows either — though he was at least involved in a missions trip with Todd. But certainly something smells fishy with the divorce/remarriage. Yes — God can have grace and restore Todd — but I have not seen something I would call real breaking and repentance. As far as exaggeration — that seemed to be happening. I would at least urge people to walk a bit cautiously around this guy’s ministry.

  104. Good, healthy teaching. I’m glad you’re doing so well. May God direct people that need help to your website.
    Actually would also be good counsel for people trying to leave a cult.

  105. I followed the entire Todd Bently revival on god.tv.

    My wife and daughter immediately discerned that something felt off about it, but I was taken in. Why? Because I love Jesus and was hungry for more revival.

    How Lakeland played out was painful to me and damaging to revival.

    Lakeland got a great deal of media attention due to the fact that many people including most evangelical Christians believed Lakeland and Todd Bently to be a hyped fraud.

    Having experienced the Toronto and Pensacola revivals first hand, and being in a hard place in my life, I was very hungry for more.

    It was a perfect nexus for me to give me hope for more revival.

    When Lakeland came crashing down it was a big blow to the credibility of revival in general because the old guard all came down to bless Todd. That damaged their reputation and also damaged the credibility of their discernment.

    Those, like myself, who followed it, felt hurt and angered. I was hurt boyt also felt that God’s reputation had been mocked in a big way.

    It’s not my place to judge a man. May God have grace and blessing for Todd Bently, but follow him? Well, it would take a divine intervention for me to allow myself to be twice burned. If God makes it clear to me, I would, but He hasn’t.

    Having been married 38 years through thick and thin, honoring God”s teaching on marriage, Todd’s divorce situation has me feeling very uneasy about his ministry. Sure, King David was forgiven, but the sword never passed from his house either.

    I am still open to and hungry for revival and awakening, but I wonder if the consequence of Lakeland is why we are experiencing an extended season of drought.

    Please bring true revival, Lord. Not one for individual greed or gain, but for souls and a closer more holy walk with You!

  106. Sister & her family took many from a prophet church(Jacksonville,Fl) to many meetings of Todd Bentley. Warnings were given to many denominations/pastors to stay away. My sister called me -and accused me of praying she was in a car accident & she went to hell! I kept asking who was talking as I knew it was evil Spirit. From 2008 until now the Lord showed me the deception with NAR/Domionist..”7 Mountain Agenda” it’s destroying my sister & family. My niece divorced/remarried was appointed Apostle/Phophet/Pastor..she is sent to Brazil often to spread false teaching. This has separated us completely. From gold dust-feathers-gems-clouds etc etc it is beyond bizarre.

    I’ve cried and prayed for them all.for years. I’ve been called Jezebel and satanist on FCB,because I shared a lot about this false teaching as Ted Cruz was deeply evolved in it. “When exposed they blame everyone they can.” They cover up and twist any Prophecy that gets messed up. They DUMP & RUN. leaving many broken and confused..plus cause many to leave the Lord. I’ve been in many meetings @ Brownsville AG,Carpenters Church.Carl Strader. Rodney H.Brown. But I never went to Todds feasco in Lakelanke,Fl. In all the meetings so often I sensed something was really wrong but I thought it was me,that I wasn’t Holy enough. 100 people dropped to floor in balcony of Straders church-Rodney H Brown,but I was only one standing.1994′ God was showing me then the falsehood.

    It still hurts to know my sister & family are deeply caught up in all the fire..clouds etc etc. people shook violently and moaned.

    It is dangerous and I can say this today May 27,2017′ Stay away & seek the Lord. Verify with His Word. Also AOG church I attended the pastor allowed Bill Hammond in. I cried and prayed for almost 3 days straight. The burden was great as the pastor is a great preacher. I’ve not been back to that church for 4 years. When I go to visit my daughter I drive by the church I called my special place of worship. Only Jesus can reveal truth to ones caught up in false teachings. I pray that the Lord will set ones free that others look up to. Who they call their Spiritual dads & moms…even Daughters & Sons. The deception is destroying families,friends & Preachers.

  107. It is tragic what is going on in the church, we need God’s truth in our lives so much… God Bless you and your family…

  108. Glad that you brought this testimony back to my attention. I know when I read it the first time I was so relieved to know that I was not the only one that questioned what I was involved in. It was hard but so freeing when I left. Unfortunately I still have a ‘jerk’ manifest now and then but I now renounce them. This happened recently when I visited friends that are still involved in all that…nope – don’t want any of the stuff back!

    In a T.Austin-Sparks message I read, TAS said that the Lord took him out of a place in spirit and as things became more difficult for him there, he was questioning the Lord about it. The Lord’s response was that now he should follow in body (my paraphrase of what The Lord said to him). I.E. LEAVE 🙂

    Thanks Kevin! So happy for your family too that you were not a casualty!

  109. Kevin I thank you for this testimony again. I have read it a couple of times but I was so glad to read it again. I am glad that you name names. We need to be warning people but it is hard to break through to people as those spirits are so tough. I have a friend that has been so steeped in the Prosperity Doctrine that she is so brain-washed that I talked to her and it has even now perverted the salvation message. I told her that they were saying to sow seeds so God could get started on your families salvation. She said that was right but I told it is a free gift and she said it was free to that person who had given money to their ministry. I just cried. All we can do is pray and ask God to show them but like you it hurts my heart as I love them. I also read the part to Sarah again and how you felt when you left Elijah List and how beat down you were and how you were treated and she had to leave a job because I was so sick and they kept calling her to do something for them and she was giving me a shower. She quit but she was close to a nervous breakdown. I appreciate you for not being afraid to tell the truth and if they do not accept the truth then it is on them. Tell your family, Hi! Love in Christ.

  110. Thank you so much for sharing this. I too have had similar experiences in the charismaniac, evanjellycal settings, so confused and hurt. I have been set free, by returning to ALL THE SCRIPTURES, AND YHWH, not listening to a mere man behind a pulpit. My Father has led me to true men of YAH. You being one of the. Thanks for your honesty. I have forgiven all those who hurt me and even are friends to as much degree as they allow, but they refuse truth. I must move on, love them, and pray for their eyes and ears to be opened. I did one of the online prophetic type seminars with one of Elijah list so called prophets it was so empty and almost laughable, I paid money to do it and was so disappointed. I unsubscribed to them immediately as I saw the hypocrisy wide spread I hope many read your testimony and wake up before it’s too late. As the great DECEPTION IS UPON US. Only those who seek YAH AND HIS TRUTH WILL OVERCOME AND ENDURE UNTIL THE END. SHALOM YESHUA BLESS YOU AND YOUR FAMILY.

  111. I went to look at “The Elijah List” today for the 2nd time but I was looking at it with a funny feeling inside of me. The language that they use is on another plane altogether and makes for sounding ever so “super spiritual”. I didn’t even bother staying more than 10 minutes browsing. I closed it and scrolled down and found your site. Needless to say, I read through your entire story and all the comments. I would like to applaud you for taking a stand on behalf of the Body of Christ to expose these charlatans. There are way too many false prophets and false teachers and it has brought so much confusion to the Body of Christ. Confusion because our brothers and sisters do not read the Word of God and do not know what they are supposed to believe. They know very little about what the Word of God is saying. They run to and fro to conferences and believe what the speaker tells them. They want the bumps on their flesh and they want to experience “something”. They do not want to sit and read the Word for as you said 2 half hours per day. No testing what they hear and read. Just accepting. May our Lord bless you and keep you and may His Face shine upon you and give you peace. Thank you for this most anointed and brilliant read. It took tremendous guts to say what you have.

  112. Thank you for your contribution to what I will call a feast of important issues concerning God’s sanctification in holiness. There are some real issues I need to pray about concerning my family. Please keep me in mind when you pray. It’s been some time since I have heard from our Holy Father. I’m battling personal issues and with His Spirit, I will conquer them glory to God!
    I am an ordained pastor, not doing the work of a pastor, just praying.
    I should say not by desire but called, as God encouraged it upon me. He confirmed it by the church I served when I left. If I had’nt taken the position when asked by the congregation, the youth would have been the only ones left and the adults would have scattered. As a result of not compromising the Word of God, I was asked to leave.
    As God said, the adults left and the youth stayed. I love them today as much as when I left almost 20 years ago.
    There is so much going on here in the nation, I continue to pray and resort to biblical answers when asked. I just want to pray and be heard but with the personal battles, I think I may be talking to the wind. I pray not.
    I will continue though, as it is in my heart to do so.
    Continuing to speak God’s truth..,
    no folleto.
    GOD BLESSINGS UPON YOU AND YOUR FAMILY ~♡~FRANK ~~>

  113. Dear Mr. Kleint,
    I am a Christian who left the Word of Faith movement over 7 yrs ago. I began to research various charismatic denominations, the emergent church, seeker friendly denominations, Catholicism, several tv ministries and in particular, The New Apostolic Reformation movement. After much research, I wrote a paper on the subject. I felt lead to distribute it to several local pastors -charismatic, protestant, Baptist, non-denominational, etc. To my surprise, none received my message. In fact, one leader told me to leave his church or he would call the police!

    I would like to tell you more – my decision to leave that background and to devote myself to following Jesus and His Word resulted in the following: I was abandoned by my family in 2013, rejected by many acquaintance, kicked out of churches, ignored by internet ministries. I am totally alone in my city of 70,000!

    I truly love Jesus. I love His Word. I love my fellowman. I even love/like myself – I would chose me as my best human friend If asked………However, I am almost at my last straw. For the past 6 yrs, I have asked God for Christian fellowship – just a few, just one even – to pray with, to study the bible, to share Jesus with. I do believe God has me in a wilderness setting and I have learned so much ( I truly forgive my family). But I cannot exist any longer alone. I cannot bear this any longer. I am a people person (not a people pleaser). I have much to share – I love to pray for and encourage others. I AM SO ALONE NOW – for almost 7yr!! Yes, 7 yrs! I questioned how many others would have continued on without anyone to simply touch his/her shoulder and say, “Don’t worry, I am with you or I have your back or I will pray with you”. Even in all of 6-7yrs, without anyone to just say, I love you,” Sir, I have attended churches, bible studies, reached out so many times. I was even asked to lead an entire congregation one night a week in prayer – but, departed after discovering the pastor favored the NAR and followed Joyce Meyers and Jessie Duplantis!!

    I am 71yrs old. I have no one!!! I am even perplexed as to why God will not answer my request for fellowship. I’ve begged Him to show me my sins so I can repent – show me my faults. I am so desperate now, I even consider suicide – though I know this is not acceptable. I have truly tried to remain faithful to Jesus. I could tell you much about how God uses me, but I don’t need to brag. I am like Jeramiah – I want to stop talking about Christ, but I have such a burning need to keep going.
    PLEASE! PLEASE! PLEASE! PLEASE! PLEASE! PLEASE! PLEASE!

    PLEASE! PLEASE! PLEASE!………………I ask that you or someone from your ministry might call me…PLEASE! – just to encourage me and even to just listen – I am not a prophet, but I do speak out against evil in the church – I am sort of like a watchwoman. It has been so hard. PLEASE! PLEASE! PLEASE! Please contact me soon!

    Thank you,
    God bless you.
    In Jesus Name

    1. Sally, my heart goes out to you. This path that you have chosen is fraught with loneliness and it’s not a pleasant one. But it is the path that you are called to.

      A friend of mine once said, “Rejection is a baptism … embrace it, for only then can you be free from the fear of man.” I’ve found that to be true over the years, especially since I wrote this testimony.

      Having said that, I have to say that HonorOfKings.org is not a ministry, per se, but just a blog where I throw stuff out there for people to chew on. If that resonates with them, then that awesome. If not, well it is what it is.

      Feel free to contact me at kevinkleint1@gmail.com if you want to chat further.

      All the best,
      Kevin

    2. Sally! You have found some good friends here. I also am on a ‘spiritual detox. ‘ I originally read Kevin’s story several months ago, from an older post. I don’t want to say too much right now, because I want to get this message out to you.

      I also wanted to thank Kevin here for posting his story, because, after about 10 years of avariciously eating up Elijah List prophecies, I sent them a concern I had with them interviewing Paul Young about his book, ‘The Shack,’ which I had serious problems with as did many others that had come out of new age and recognized the content as such.

      They never contacted me, so I sent another email letting them know if they didn’t respond I was canceling my subscription. They never responded, so I canceled.

      Dear Sally, there others out there, like your self, and Kevin who are seeking God with all their hearts, desiring to walk in truth. I hope you get this message, or Kevin can connect us.

      I have a blog, that I address serious issues in the Church, as does Kevin. I will be praying for you. You have friends here that will stand with you, and walk out this truth walk with you. My blog is here as well. You can also connect with me on facebook. Blessing in the Lord Sally! YOU ARE NOT ALONE! Stay in touch. https://scribalwell.wordpress.com/

  114. Just left the prophetic movement a month ago after 30 years. What a journey it has been reading the word more accurately, finding it really hits close to home when it speaks of deceivers, false prophets and tickling ears. The Lord is speaking to me through scriptures now. I entered the movement shortly after finding Jesus at the age of 18. So glad to hear your testimony and teachings especially.

  115. I got out of a church who were under Fresh Fire’s umbrella for quite a while. Now I think they are still under Morning Star etc.

    I was 18 at the time, and was questioning alot of their teachings. I actually felt like I was under demonic attack much of the time that I was there, but it was worse after going through a “fire tunnel” at a Todd Bentley conference in Abbotsford BC, Canada. I remember it confused and frightened me, as I didn’t feel happy, and didn’t like the feeling of not being able to control it. After getting back, I was depressed and felt actuvy suicidal, and had no idea why. “The joy of the Lord wouldn’teave me feeling this empty and wrong,” I thought.

    At one point, a “prophet” couple were giving “words” to everyone in the congregation. Just before my turn, I prayed that if whatever was going to come out of their mouths wasn’ from God, that He would shut their mouths. When my turn came, the “prophet” kept trying to talk, but nothing came out. She literally started and then stopped several times, a look of utter frustration on her face, and then finally just blurted out, “Did you know that Jesus really, really loves you?”

    I smiled and said “Always a good reminder, thanks!” She tsked and then moved on.

    When I finally td the pastor I was leaving, and why, he was extremely angry. A short while ago, I wrote some things confronting him, and he tried to threaten me and demand I recant. My husband stepped in, and told him that a man if God would not threaten a woman like that. This pastor tried to tell my husband that I was a liar, and he would need to wake up and realize he had married a liar. Thankfully, my husband knows better, and continued to cover me. The pastor is now blocked.

    I am in a healthy church now, and so glad to be out. I am glad that I listened to the Holy Spirit’s warnings and got out when I did.

  116. Thanks for article which I came across by God`s gracious providence. It confirmed a lot of what I discerned/suspected, about much of this so – called prophetic movement over the years. May God bless and honor your courage for doing/posting this much needed article for those who are genuine and sincere about serving the Lord in sincerity and truth.

  117. Amen brother. I am one of those guys who tends to be gullible. It IS only by the word that these things need to be judged. I’m 72 now. Would that I had learned these lessons you are speaking of earlier. Not that I was in any deep error, so to speak, but deception is all around if we are not careful to tune our ears to Jesus. Blessings from Father to you and thank you for sharing!

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