A few weeks ago, Rich Vermillion left a comment on my “Elijah List” post. His response was so filled with wisdom and insight that I felt that I needed to share it with all of you. Please read what Rich has to say about the pressure to perform, and how it affects prophecy.
Many blessings,
Kevin Kleint
Web: http://www.honorofkings.org
Email: kevin@honorofkings.org
Fascinating post, Kevin. I am absolutely thrilled that you came out of that mess in once piece, with your faith in Jesus intact after all the apostasy and hypocrisy that you witnessed. Oh, my! Not everyone does that, unfortunately. So I am glad you were developed in your character by these trials (Romans 5:3-5), and not destroyed thereby.
My primary reason for commenting is regard to your observations as to why these Elijah List “prophets” don’t have more discernment. Let me share a couple of thoughts that I believe answer this question:
Ephesians 3:5 ” …which in other ages was not made known to the sons of men, as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to His holy apostles and prophets:”
2 Peter 3:2 ” …that you may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us, the apostles of the Lord and Savior… “
Revelation 18:20 “Rejoice over her, O heaven, and you holy apostles and prophets, for God has avenged you on her!”
The Missing Ingredient
The missing ingredient is personal holiness with these people. Thus, they have NO foundation upon which to expect the HOLY Spirit of God to provide them with true discernment. Like Eli, whose prophetic AND physical eyes had grown dim, these people (if they ever were true Christians at all, and not false brethren entirely) have lost their discernment through compromise with sin.
Again, there is always the possibility with some among that crowd that they were never born again at all, and are actually false brethren (see 2 Corinthians chapter 11 in its entirety, and Galatians 2:1-5). However, for those who were genuinely born again and perhaps true prophets, there is another common trap: The pressure to perform.
Any genuine prophet is required to be honest with their hearers in accordance with passages like Ezekiel 14:6-8, and saying something like:
“Listen, I will teach from the Word of God today some sound doctrine, because that is the ‘more sure word of prophecy’ according to 2 Peter 1:19. If I get anything from the Lord for one or more of you, or a general word for this group, etc., then I will deliver it as I receive it from the Lord. However, if I do NOT get such a word, I will NOT make one up. I am under NO pressure to perform for you, just because I am considered a prophet. Rather, I am admonished by God to ONLY give the words He provides, and NOTHING more. So I will teach God’s eternal Word to you, and if something more happens, then that is a bonus. After all, God’s written Word is always the highest priority, and people should NOT seek after prophetic words all the time.”
However, few do. Instead, they “act” prophetic, do strange things to “look” prophetic, and utter whatever pops into their heads in order to “sound” prophetic. The Bible says quite clearly what God thinks of such falsity:
Jeremiah 14:14-16 Then the LORD said to me, “The prophets are prophesying falsehood in My name. I have neither sent them nor commanded them nor spoken to them; they are prophesying to you a false vision, divination, futility and the deception of their own minds. Therefore thus says the LORD concerning the prophets who are prophesying in My name, although it was not I who sent them—yet they keep saying, ‘There will be no sword or famine in this land’ — by sword and famine those prophets shall meet their end! The people also to whom they are prophesying will be thrown out into the streets of Jerusalem because of the famine and the sword … “
To connect with what I wrote above: We too often see “prophets” who (even if they are born again) lack personal holiness, and thus, are not discerning. They need to “perform” for the crowd, however, so they put on their “show” as if they are real men or women of God. This compounds their sin and blinds them further to the truth and spiritual things. This spiraling vortex will continue downward until they they are “drowned” in their own iniquity, and some major issue exposes them for others to see (e.g. Todd Bentley).
The Motivation
Another point to add is from Paul’s warning to Timothy about these last days:
2 Timothy 3:1-5 “But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away!”
2 Timothy 4:1-4 “I charge you therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead at His appearing and His kingdom: Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables.”
In these last days, people (including many alleged “ministers”) are motivated by their own greed and lusts. So if the alleged “prophet” happens to be similarly motivated, are they going to speak words of righteousness to their hearers? No, they cannot; and this is for two reasons:
- Their own consciences will only allow them to make a pretense of “holiness” in their messages (few are willing to be as obviously hypocritical as Jimmy Swaggart was, with his holiness teaching during the time he chased prostitutes). So they want to cover their sins by not addressing such issues publicly, and prefer teaching on “love” (perverted from the Bible, of course), “peace,” “unity,” etc., in order to turn attention AWAY from anything searching of their own character. “Let’s all just get along and stop criticizing each other,” is a famous Joel Osteen statement; but he is a heretic, and thus, quite motivated to ask people to “get along” with him instead of pointing out his heresy.
- They can’t make money or get speaking engagements if they are known for confronting sin. Note in the citation above that people in sin “will not endure sound doctrine.” Thus, they “heap up to themselves teachers, having itching ears.” Many people WANT fables. They WANT lies. They are even willing to PAY for it … and the wolves know that, and will “sell” them whatever message they want … even if it takes them the “broad way which leads to destruction” (see Matthew chapter 7). And unless a congregation has a genuine man or woman of God shepherding them, that person is not willing to bring in a bona fide prophet who is known for exposing sin. It might expose THEM … or chase out some of their biggest tithers.
Thank you again for your testimony, and blessings to you, your wife, and your family.
Always in Jesus,
Rich Vermillion
Web: http://richvermillion.com
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I have been in churches or involved with churches that love, what I call, “the pathetic prophetic.” It was easy enough to pinpoint the false teaching and expectations based on the track record of predictions. It was easy to see through the hype. But I have not had the words to describe and, for lack of a better word, label them: 1) personal holiness 2) lack of repentance.
Having had toe-to-toe meetings with one or two of this ilk, I have wondered if I was alone. It is good to see I am not. Thanks.
One of the ministers at church on Wednesday night preached from 1 & 2 Peter. In the first book Peter exhorted the people to mature and grow up in Christ. This was (and is) possible because of having a new nature within. It also includes the type of ministers they were to honor, respect and listen to and those to avoid. Apparently they did not take heed to the first letter so he wrote the second one. They had become open prey to false teachers apparently because they refused to mature in the Lord. Those that are mature and hungry for Christ will have discernment to see the false teachers. Those that do not will be open prey.
In reference to the verses mentioned in this post we can conclude once again that the love of money is the root of all evil. These people were not really saved to begin with or they have resisted the Lord and His voice so much that they can no longer hear Him. Horrible state to be in. The good thing is that if they decide to turn the Lord is right ready to being them back into a good fellowship with Him.
Great post! Who would have thought that one day deceived and evil men would redefine Christianity into a ponzi scheme which lined their own pockets through diabolical teachings of lust, greed, and avarice? And just as amazing that they would be able to garner great crowds of followers ready to open their pocketbooks as well as listen to lying prophecies that elevate men’s personages with admiration rather than warn a generation of the coming day of judgment. And MIA is the precious cross of our Redeemer.
These wolves are just as dangerous as are men like Bell and Osteen. behold, the end is all around us. Stay anchored.
Rick I have to mention this. My husband and I watch American Greed: Scams, Scoundrels and Scandals on CNBC. The last few we watched had us gasping. The rhetoric that they would use on those suckers to get them in their ponzi schemes sounded too close to what you hear the prosperity and fake prophetic people saying on a regular basis. The only difference is that the secular crooks were the ones promising that they would return the money with an outrageous return on their ‘investment’. The fake preachers lie and say that God will give it back to you. Both groups are dependent on the greed of the people in the pews to be successful. Amazing.
What you brought is outstanding! Your message should be taped and played in every assembly. Thank You!
Is it ok to copy and place on another blog?
Hi Brian, go ahead and copy/post an excerpt (2 – 3 paragraphs) …. please link back to the original source. You know, good Netiquette n all that …. God Bless.
Thank You!
I really appreciate your posting this comment of mine as an article on your website, Kevin. Of course, that is somewhat of an indictment on me regarding how long my comments can become at times (chuckle); but this is a major blessing nonetheless. Thank you so much, Bro.
Always in Jesus,
-Rich
When my own pastor started preaching hard against sin, our congregation multiplied, when God sent those who were hungry for the truth. Revolution!!!!!!!!!!!! What kind of folks do we want in our assemblies….the lukewarm, or those who are hungry for truth, and on fire for God, when they FINALLY hear it?
That will preach, Marie. Good word, Sis.
-Rich
These words are very timely for me to have read.