Kim Clement – Right or Wrong?
After reading the latest word from Kim Clement, I am amazed at how a person can be so right …. and yet, at the same time, so wrong.
December 1, 2012 – From The Den:
“From the beginning, before time began, I knew this hour; I knew this day. Was it hidden from Me? Am I afraid?” says the Lord of Hosts. “Even if Israel stood alone, watch. Read the history. Before time began, I knew of this moment and I knew that from the miry clay would emerge an upright reed. From the mire, I will bring something upright and something good.”
“You have entered into a season of fruitfulness, and yet they cry, ‘Barren is the land; barren are the people.’” But God says, “I have called that which is barren, fruitful, and I have called that which is weak, strong. And I have called that which is poor, rich. Therefore, say what I say for the redeemed of the Lord shall say So!’ Watch and see as I demonstrate My glory and majesty,” says the Lord.
What I’ve been dealing with and what I’ve been feeling from the Lord is that He wants to destroy unfruitfulness and barrenness and wants to make this a fruitful month and a fruitful 2013. Do you believe that this could be possible? Now if there’s faith in your heart, please hear what I’m saying because I am literally giving you a prophetic proclamation that God wants fruitfulness and He wants it this month and He wants it in the year 2013 – and don’t tell me it cannot be done.
Kim Clement
Now, I’m not sure if this prophecy is supposed to be over Israel, or towards the church. I’m assuming both. So many believers think that the church has replaced Israel (whether overtly or covertly) that this wouldn’t surprise me at all. Anyhow, that’s another post for another time … I better close that can of worms. The topic we’re going to discuss today is “fruitfulness”.
Fruit That Remains
Kim Clement is totally right when He says that God wants fruitfulness. Jesus Himself said:
John 15:16 “You did not choose Me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit, and [that] your fruit should remain, that whatever you ask the Father in My name He may give you.”
The very reason that He chose us was so that we could go and bear fruit …. Fruit that Remains.
The Cost of Having No Fruit
Now, before you think that I’ve given Kim a “free pass”, consider something. What happens when we don’t bear fruit?
Matthew 21:18-19 “Now in the morning, as He returned to the city, He was hungry. And seeing a fig tree by the road, He came to it and found nothing on it but leaves, and said to it, ‘Let no fruit grow on you ever again.’ Immediately the fig tree withered away.”
Matthew 7:19 “Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.”
It’s a very serious thing to have no fruit on you when Jesus is asking for it. If Jesus comes and sees that there is no fruit on you, you get thrown into the fire (btw, that’s hell)!
So, obviously, it’s important to have Fruit … and it needs to REMAIN. So, if it’s THAT important, then how do we get this Fruit?
John 15:4-8 “Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me. I am the vine, you [are] the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing. If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you. By this My Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit; so you will be My disciples.”
Embracing the Whole Word
It all comes down to having the Word of God in your heart …. all of it. We absolutely MUST understand that BOTH the Old and New Testament are equally as valid in the eyes of God. Remember, man divided the bible up into Old and New Testaments …. God just sees it as “His Word”. And I think that’s the most valid way of looking at it …. I mean, after all, He wrote it.
Something I’ve found in my Walk with God is that, if you value the New Testament over the Old, the Word of God will never line up … unless you allegorize or “spiritualize” certain passages. Even then, it will only make sense to you for a little while until the next “expert” comes along and shows you another way to look at it. But, when you remove the dispensational mindset (that blinds most modern-day churchgoers) …. everything … I mean EVERYTHING fits together perfectly.
Anyways, that was a rabbit trail … let’s get back to “fruitfulness”. In Psalm 1:1-3, the bible says:
Psalm 1:1-3 “Blessed [is] the man Who walks not in the counsel of the ungodly, Nor stands in the path of sinners, Nor sits in the seat of the scornful; But his delight [is] in the law of the LORD, And in His law he meditates day and night. He shall be like a tree Planted by the rivers of water, That brings forth its fruit in its season, Whose leaf also shall not wither; And whatever he does shall prosper.”
Day and Night
This is basically the same thing that Jesus said in John 15! If we want to bear fruit, we absolutely MUST be meditating on the Word of God (all of it) …. DAY and NIGHT. The Word must be CONSTANTLY before us …. only then will we be able to bear the Fruit that Remains.
So, as we read what the Word says about Fruit that Remains, we can see that the focus is about reproduction. A tree, when it produces fruit, is re-creating itself. The fruit that comes from the tree tastes good and is nourishment to those it feeds, but inside is the seed that can be re-planted into the ground.
Throughout Scripture, the Seed is the Word of God (See Mark 4).
Fruitfulness and False Prophecy
At this point, Kim Clement and I will not see eye-to-eye.
To Kim Clement, and most of His audience, fruitfulness is synonymous with wealth and physical comfort. In their eyes, one can gauge the fruitfulness of ones life by the abundance of material possessions that they own, or by the relative “ease” that they can coast through each day. If this is true (and it’s not), then Paul was one of the most fruitless individuals in the bible. Even the Old Testament prophets were fruitless according to this errant standard.
Kim said, “I am literally giving you a prophetic proclamation that God wants fruitfulness and He wants it this month and He wants it in the year 2013.”
I agree with this in principle, although I don’t think it was God speaking through Kim Clement … and here’s why:
- The TRUE prophets of the bible called the people OUT of their sin, so that they would bear fruit.
- The TRUE prophets of the bible called the people BACK to God’s commandments, so that they could bear fruit.
This is something that Kim Clement simply will not do.
Think about this for a minute … why do you think this content was so conveniently left out of this “Word from God”?
Kim Clement does not understand that his beautiful piano playing and ear-scratching words will not save him, or his hearers.
Kim Clement, if you are TRULY God’s Prophet, God will hold you accountable to this verse:
Jeremiah 23:21-22 AMP “I did not send these [false] prophets, yet they ran; I did not speak to them, yet they prophesied. But if they had stood in My council, then they would have caused My people to hear My words, then they would have turned them [My people] from their evil way and from the evil of their doings.“
This was, is and always will be the function of God’s prophets … turning God’s people from their evil way. Oh that we (that includes all “prophets”) would embrace this Truth in this hour.
Kim Clement … don’t tell me it cannot be done.
For the Love of the Search,
Kevin Kleint
Email: kevin@honorofkings.org
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my observation- the New Covenant is alive it is Christ blood still speaking on our behalf in Heaven and on the earth and the Covenant is alive in Christ our High Priest in the order of Melchizedek an Eternal Priesthood the only Superior Priesthood of a eternal and unshakeable Kingdom ! Therefore I see this living Covenant above the Old ; upholding the Old;and surrounding it ,and as the Holy Fire consuming it .
Wow…didn’t know Kim Clement gave a prophecy about President Obama becoming a Christian!
Many Christians in Amercia are CERTAINLY praying for him and his family to come to the Lord!! So, in one respect (maybe this prophecy hasn’t been fulfilled as of yet..time will tell)! I am surely praying for (their) salvation and for their eyes & hearts to be opened before Him!! To be receivers of His Love, & Truth! I hope ALL that name the name of Christ are praying for him, and for Godly Council and Advisors in the WH!! To God be the Glory!! Lord, forgive us and turn Our Nation back to You!!
The thing that can make a difference is an intercessor.
Luke 13:6-9 “He spake also this parable; A certain man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard; and he came and sought fruit thereon, and found none. Then said he unto the dresser of his vineyard, Behold, these three years I come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and find none: cut it down; why cumbereth it the ground? And he answering said unto him, Lord, let it alone this year also, till I shall dig about it, and dung it: And if it bear fruit, well: and if not, then after that thou shalt cut it down.”
Hi Kevin!
A very thought-provoking piece. I agree that the role of the prophetic voice is to call God’s people back to Him. Exhortation is one of the functions of New Testament prophecy, and John the Baptist’s preaching is described as exhortation. He, too, called people to produce fruit ~ fruit in keeping with repentance, evidenced in a change of behaviour.
I have a question, though. Your comment on dispensationalism: does that mean you lean towards calvinism? I also note that one of your “liked” websites professes to be calvinist. May i recommend to you an e-book by Brenda Nickel, called “Basic Reformed Theology Explained and Exposed”. If you do a google search for it, it can be downloaded free in pdf- format from John Chingford’s watchmanforjesus.blogspot.co.uk website.
Nickel really explains the issues well.
Calvinism/reformed theology appears to be on the rise these days, probably in the wake of a dearth of sound theology among charismatics. Like most things its sounds good on the surface, particularly its emphasis on sola scriptura. But Nickel points out that, while we would recognize and agree with some if its terminology, behind the facade, the terms are used differently to the way most of us would think about them.
I am finding, as my search progresses, that I really need to press into God. There is so much out there that can take us off track. I don’t want to be tossed to and fro by every wind of doctrine, neither one of those silly women Paul mentions in second epistle to Timothy ~ ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
The Reformation was not perfect and neither were its leaders, but they seem to be being held up almost as demi-gods in some circles.
There is only One who has the monopoly on truth and YHWH is His name.
Thank God that He has given us a New Covenant sealed in the blood of His Son, our Saviour, whereby He has promised that all will know Him from the least to the greatest; that we have an unction from the Holy One and know all things; that we have the mind of Christ, in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.
I wonder, would Paul the Apostle cry out to us the words of 2 Corinthians 11:3:~
But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtlety, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ?
He goes on to warn of those that preach another Jesus and another gospel by another spirit. While this may be applied in the case if Kim Clement and his Elijah List buddies, it may be applied in other quarters too.
Let us stay in the Word of Truth, led by the Spirit of Truth. And may the Lord lead us in a plain path because of our enemies.
God bless you abundantly in the search
Hi Melanie, in Truth, I don’t even know what Calvinists believe. Let alone, all the other “ists”. While I am very teachable, I’m just going to stand on His Word as I learn it. Recently, I’ve been learning a little about church history (as you probably have seen from my prior posts), and probably in my “search” I’ll learn more about Calvinism (and the other “isms”), I haven’t gotten there yet, hehe. I agree with the verse you have given in that there is a “simplicity” in knowing Christ, but (up until the last few years) I never knew that simplicity. My walk with God was always convoluted with extraneous “teaching” and “revelation” …. this shouldn’t be. Anyways, thanks for the comment!
I know what you mean. There are a few too many ‘ists’ and ‘isms’ floating around for my liking. I’m only just learning about them myself as my quest progresses. There are so many theological voices out there, who would claim to have a handle on God. But Paul the apostle says: “O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgements, and His ways past finding out! For who hath known the mind of the Lord? Or who hath been His counsellor?” (Romans11:33-34)
The day someone knows everything about YHWH and can explain all His thoughts and ways fully is the day man becomes god and YHWH doesnt. That day is NOT coming. We know in part and prophecy in part.
I used to be an academic prior to coming to Christ. The Word of God gave me answers that my studies of psychology and social sciences couldn’t. I was glad to let all that cerebral stuff go and leave it behind for more than 20 years. Because of illness my brain doesn’t function well at that level, so I dont really like having to confront all the different schools of thought. Earlier a word from psalm131 came to mind:
“Lord my heart is not haughty, nor mine eyes lofty, niether do I exercise myself in great matters, or in things too high for me. Surely I have behaved and quieted myself as a child that is weaned of his mother; my soul as a weaned child”
I think the Lord knows that sometimes I need to switch off from it before my brain explodes.
Keep searching in childlike trust of the Shepherd, hearing His voice and running from strangers.
In the words of Newton, “Through many dangers toils and snares we have already come. Twas grace that brought us safe thus far, and grace will lead us home.
Blessings to you and your family
Melanie
Calvinists are the group that believe once saved always saved… Most Baptist churches are Calvinists, they don’t beleve in the baptism in the Holy Spirit or Spiritual Gifts… They also don’t believe in the Apostle and Prophet.
I stop taking Kim Clement serious, after he was pressured by his followers to prophesy and speak against President Obama…. Back March 2002 http://kimclementvault.com/prophecyread.asp?num=210&keyword=March .. he prophesied that we will have an African American.
This portion of the prophecy… “The Spirit of the Lord says, The very words of Dr. Martin Luther King before he died, knowing prophetically that he would not live, there is a dream that has not yet been fulfilled. You say the African people have been freed. But have they truly been freed� says the Lord. That dream has not yet been fulfilled. It shall come to pass that I will take the African-American race, the people that have a strong leaning towards a spiritual life, and I will do something special for them because I have told you I will raise up an African-American president of the United States of America. I will put within him the wisdom of God and the power to be able to negotiate and take this nation into a higher level of authority and power.”
Kim Prophesied President Obama becoming President:
June 28, 2007 (This prophesy has been deleted from his web-site, I have pasted and copied on a Christian forum, January 2009)
God says “A President that I will bring into the White House–they will say he is ungodly–he does not know God. Even as Jesus disguised Himself for the great feasts, so I’ve disguised this man’s heart. When he comes to the White House, not only shall he be Mine, but he shall pray as a man that has never prayed in the White House. That same man shall put his feet onto this platform. They will say, how did this take place? Laws shall change. Young men and young women will have access into the Kingdom and with authority into politics and with authority into the industries that now have been controlled by darkness because of this man that shall rule for two terms. Do not fear; there will be no unnecessary stuff. There will be things that men shall question. Fear not, for he shall sit in that seat, and suddenly My Spirit shall come upon him and baptize him with a fire and with anointing,” says the Spirit of the Lord. “No more war. The time for war has gone. The time for Peace has come. The House that you call White shall receive a man, a knight, who fought for you in your nights.”
March 29, 2008 http://kimclementvault.com/prophecyread.asp?num=272&keyword=Obama
October 25, 2009 http://kimclementvault.com/prophecyread.asp?num=361&keyword=Obama
Kim Clement got beaten down by his followers… so he change to be an Obama hater….
Wow! Melinda …. that’s some good info! I might use that in a later post …
Oh, and if Calvinists believe “Once saved, always saved” … I’m definitely not Calvinist!
Regarding Kim Clement’s apparent change towards Obama, I am not totally convinced that it was all due to pressure from his supporters. Kim considers himself to be a “Watchman on the Wall” of Israel, and has said that much hinges upon Obama’s policy towards Israel.
All the same – I do have concerns with those who cry “peace, peace when there is no peace.” Just happened upon this sermon by British preacher, Charles Spurgeon in 1860. Blew me away. http://www.spurgeon.org/sermons/0301.htm