Working for the Elijah List – My Testimony

Elijah List – A Hub of Deception

elijah-listBetween the years 2001-2008, Kevin Kleint was the web master for the Elijah List, the largest distributor of false “prophecy” for the Prophetic Movement. During this time, he learned some very difficult, yet beneficial, lessons about God, the “prophetic movement” and life in general. What’s more, he witnessed “first hand” the deception that goes on behind the scenes in what was (possibly) the most popular prophetic email ministry of the time.

If you read the following posts, you will gain insight into:

  • True Grace vs. False Grace
  • Idolatry and Witchcraft in “the Prophetic Movement”
  • How the Elijah List rose in popularity after 9-11
  • The exploitation and deception of the next generation
  • How modern day prophets twist scripture to keep themselves “above reproach”
  • How God’s faithfulness can (and will) bring you back to His side by just doing “the basics”

These posts have angered some who are “neck-deep” in the modern day “prophetic movement” (especially those who are profiting), and they have been a confirmation to others who knew that something was “off” all along.Keep in mind, it is important to read ALL 10 POSTS to get a full picture of where Kevin is coming from.

Elijah List Testimony

  1. Elijah List – Intro
  2. In the Beginning
  3. First Impressions Crumble
  4. My Experience with Todd Bentley
  5. Dismantling the Wall
  6. Mortar in the Wall
  7. Wicked Roots
  8. Lack of Discernment has a Price
  9. The Next Generation
  10. My Way Home
  11. Post-Prophetic Rehab – How to Get Back on Track

For the Truth,

Kevin Kleint
Email: kevinkleint1@gmail.com

Comments

  1. Rebecca says

    Thank you for sharing your experience. Its about time someone speaks the truth and puts in word of God in it. I got in a church in Nashville that ended up being a cult. It was the hardest time of my life. Thank God the Holy spirit movedi me out. They put half truth and the other half was what they added. Talk about confusion. Praise God im not in that mess anymore. If we wrote anything about them they would take us to court for slander. Keep up the good work!

  2. Odette Del Rio says

    John 12:43 reads: “For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God.” Which seems to describe Todd Bentley. Have you not read: “…and unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, let not the wife depart from her husband: but and if she depart, let her remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife; but to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away; and the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him. For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy; but if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace. For what knowest thou, O wife, whether thou shalt save thy husband? or how knowest thou, O man, whether thou shalt save thy wife? But as God hath distributed to every man, as the Lord hath called every one, so let him walk. And so ordain I in all churches.” 1 Corinthians 7: 10-17 Says NOT Paul, but THE LORD. When a leader fails, he needs to go to the end of the line & start over, because apparently, he or she missed a teaching along the way. When Rick Joyner had the vision (The Final Quest 1996) of climbing the mountain, he learned that not having the armor made it easy for the enemy to attack & the soldier to fall. “Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.” 2 Timothy 2:15 It is easy for leaders who have been blessed w/signs & wonders, to begin to think they have arrived when they are still journeying in this life. Just as Rick shared when he was under those trances, he must be re-clothed in humility for he has erred greatly as has Todd Bentley from what I have read on this blog. Yes, they are forgiven by us, the common folk, children of our Heavenly Father & if they’ve repented before HIM, HE will surely forgive, but it does not mean you are where you were before the fall. I agree w/Mr. Kevin Klient. Perhaps the others are asking for a free ride 2 heaven or to at least be where Rick described in his book, at the lowest end when they could have been rulers. This life is costly to make it through the end. “…be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.” Revelation 2:10 end of. I do not possess your titles or fame, but serve HIM, Who gave it all for even me. I understand we’ve all fallen from HIS grace, including Joyner, Bentley & those who believe they have arrived. Repentance, true repentance means total humility: “Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own,…” 1 Corinthians 13:4-5 Just a wife, mom & grandmother in Florida.

  3. says

    Dear Kevin,

    I agree with much of what you have said concerning the Elijah list. It is really off in many respects. However, I must disagree with you concerning Todd Bentley. What happened with Him may not be what you and others assume, that he divorced his wife for sinful reasons, but rather it may be that God led Him to do this. Many people have chosen to marry, not because God put them together, but because they made a natural minded choice. The question is: is God required to bless that which He did not author? I don’t think so. Case in point is when those who came back to rebuild Jerusalem married the daughters of the uncircumcised in land and had to put them away. When you come close to God everything that is not of Him has to go. We have little idea what that really means. (I am not saying that his wife was sinful but may not have been the one God chose for him.)

    You assume that it was an error in judgement for Todd to be put back into ministry so soon. However, why would Rick and others support this move if it was not led of the Lord? Have they all lost their spiritual insight just because of Todd? I caution you to examine whether or not you really have place to judge Todd and those around him. Perhaps you have little idea of what really went on.

    Blessings,

    Michael

    • says

      Michael,

      Respectfully, you really can’t be serious? How can you be suspicious of the Elijah List and yet defend Bentley? They are “birds of a feather.”

      Also, “why would Rick and others support this move if it was not led of the Lord?” … Really?

      Clearly, you esteem these guys more than you should. They are not “led of the Lord,” and as long as you believe that, you are blind to what is going on.

      I’m not claiming to know anything of the conditions of Bentley’s marriage … Shonnah may (or may not) have been the issue. I wasn’t there.

      What I’m saying is, once the problem/divorce situation came to the public eye, Joyner and Co. came up with a plan to “restore” Bentley as soon as possible.

      They needed their money-maker back in action AND they needed to “save face” because they, as “God’s apostles and prophets,” were exposed as frauds.

      They had laid their reputations on the line at the Lakeland revival, when they “commissioned” Bentley as the next “big revival leader.”

      As far as your comment on God being lenient with divorce … and citing the Israelites divorcing their pagan wives.

      Pagan wives serve pagan gods. Serving pagan gods (most of the time) included sexualized rituals, so they were more than likely guilty of some form of fornication … which would be “scriptural” grounds for divorce.

      Regardless of the situation though, Paul’s letter to Timothy cites that leaders in the church be the husband of ONE WIFE. He doesn’t say “one wife at a time.”

      And you ask the question, “Have they all lost their spiritual insight just because of Todd?”

      I would say “No.” They clearly didn’t have spiritual insight BEFORE Todd … otherwise they would have seen Todd for what he is.

      Immature, carnal … and a liar.

      These are easily discerned by those who don’t idolize him (or the people around him).

      I would encourage you to find out what God says about judging. It’s obviously not what you think.

      http://www.honorofkings.org/judge-not

      • says

        Dear Kevin,

        You know, the over all sense I get from your site is “sour grapes.” You are attacking the prophetic because of some difficult experiences you and others have had with it. I, more than most, understand the underbelly of the church and the depth of depravity that is at its core. However, the prophetic is real and the move of the spirit is real. Why have you set yourself up as a person to judge such things? Obstensively, you say you want to help people out of the deception for their own good. I guess you feel this is your calling somewhat like CRI for prophets.

        I guess the problem I have with such ministry is that people set themselves up as judges and everything is judged by their knowledge of good. Frankly the knowledge of good is just as deadly as the knowledge of evil. Eventually, they exclude everyone and everything they cannot understand and find fault with more and more.

        I will grant you that most of what you say happens does happen. It is simply the nature of the mess we are in. My question to you is, “what positive are you adding to this mess and what new revelation do you offer to help correct it?” Simply saying that it is a mess does not help because everyone kind of knows that already.

        I am not blind to what is going on, as you put it, but I do recognize that the Spirit moves through imperfect men. I also realize that when you put yourself on the front lines you tend to get shot up more than most. I have read these guys stuff and listened to them speak and I have heard the voice of my Father coming through them. Does that mean the are saints? Of course not but it does mean that God, as least a little, is using them. What give you the right to rail against such people and call them shams? If you could destroy their ministry what would you accomplish?

        I get it that you were disillusioned and frustrated by what you witnessed but instead of focusing your talents, which seem to be many, and tearing down what you perceive to be wrong why not use them to build up something that is right. Don’t let the Devil side track you and your gifting by using them to nip at the heals of these men and their ministries. Find something positive and then do something positive.

        Sincerely,

        Michael King

        • says

          So what I hear you saying is that, in spite of the sins of those who place themselves in “the forefront,” I should just overlook it and find the “positive” in every situation. To basically chew the meat and spit out the bones?

          As it applies to those called prophets, this isn’t what God told us to do.

          1 John 4:1
          Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

          The Word also says:

          Ephesians 5:11
          And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them.

          God most definitely works through imperfect people … but, in regards to purity and truth, the lives of the modern day prophets are no where close to the lives of the prophets in the Word. When “prophets,” and those who defend them, use their fallibility as an excuse to overlook sin, we’ve clearly strayed from the mark.

          You infer that I don’t contribute anything “positive.”

          In your view, what do you think is “positive?”

          I’m measuring a man’s alleged “ministry” by how well it lines up with the Word of God (I guess you would call that “railing”) and presenting various points to the public to give them a chance to make a decision.

          That’s not positive?

          You’re going to have to realize, Mike, that the Word never told us to hug and coddle those who are in the business of deceiving millions.

          Rather, it told us to guard the flock, and stay True to the Word.

          I do not hate these men … and I don’t want them to go to hell. But I’m not going to just stand idly by when an entire generation is led astray by them.

          Of course, if you don’t feel that’s a “positive” thing, there’s nothing I can do to help you.

        • John the Baptist the 2nd says

          ” the knowledge of good is just as deadly as the knowledge of evil” I can’t help but wonder if the voice of your father taught you that.

  4. Jim Yost says

    Hi Kevin,

    I’m glad you started this website as it exposes error. I have several Christians friends who put a lot of stock in the Elijah List (in fact one of them made the trip to Uganda with the Elijah List team a few years ago), and I’ve noticed that they seem to have several things in common, one being that they have no discernment, which has caused most of them some problems (some of which have been serious problems). Another thing they have in common is that they keep falling for the next ‘new thing’ to come down the pike. Another thing they have in common is that they’re immune to taking advice. Benjamin Franklin made the statement: “People who won’t take advice can’t be helped.” I think most of the time that really deep-seated ignorance is willful ignorance (which is its own reward and its own punishment).

    My old mentor used to say that most anger is the response of the fallen human nature to when someone challenges an idol of the heart. He also said that if you really want to make someone angry all you have to do is to challenge one of their idols. I can see from several of the comments posted here that you’ve done a good job of it on one or two people. Keep up the good work!

    Jim

    • says

      Hahah … yeah, you have to develop “thick skin” sometimes. I like what your mentor said … I couldn’t have said it better myself!

  5. Jason says

    I posted a while back about your assertion that the bible was written to define god for us. You responded with a defensive justification of why you are right in your position. I don’t think it is worth arguing with you about your position of knowing god is.

    I did go back and back track and test the last 8 years in order to evaluate the fruit and accuracy of their ministry. I found the prophetic posts to be spot on. It may not be for everybody, bit the accuracy was spot on foe me. I noticed the site has a large portion of posts that I would consider devotional a. The prophetic posts seemed to come as often as a half dozen words per month and as little as once a month. The site is pretty impressive as far as accuracy goes. I am sorry that elijah list offended you and was possibly infiltrated with sin in a way that you have decided that it the entire ministry deceptive. I hope your passion and ministry impact a lot of souls. You may have a gift or wisdom to create a better prophetic ministry than the elijah list. I don’t thin your potential to run a better ministry changes the accuracy of elijah list.

    • says

      Hi Jason,

      It’s never been about creating a better prophetic ministry. I’m not a prophet (to my knowledge) and this is just a blog … I work a 40 hour week at a “regular” job like everyone else.

      As far as the accuracy of EL’s prophetic posts, it doesn’t matter if they are accurate for you, or me, or anyone else – our experience is subjective. It all has to do with whether or not they line up with the Word of God …. and they don’t.

      Many blessings to you and yours,

      Kevin

      • Cathleen says

        They do line up with the word of God, your just looking through your cloudy human lense, not the lense of the spirit. But it’s no use, your set in your ways, so these sentences I’m writing are pointless, but I’m bored, and I have a food hang over, so there’s nothing better to do.

        Let me answer for you:

        “Ah, not seeing through the lense of the spirit. That’s a popular saying ive heard from charasmatics before. The truth is Cathleen, God is the same yesterday, today and forever, and the Elijah Lust is walking in the flesh and they are not lining up with my American Christian understanding of the bible as I compare every Elijah Lust prophecy with the scriptures written to Israel 3700 years ago. SO I must stop them and show everyone the truth, blah blah blah blah blah.”

        I’m sure you won’t post this, because you control every thing on your site to make yourself look good. Maybe try getting rid of this site and focusing your time away from your “normal job” on your family. Or do you bash your blood family the same way you do your Christian family?

        Now… I must be an angry charasmatic to you, right? boo hoo boo hoo…

        Many blessing to you and yours,

        Cathleen

        • says

          Wow … I’m gonna let that one rest, as you clearly betray where you stand. Your “lens of the spirit” will get you no where, if it’s not based on that archaic book that you so readily speak against.

          Your comment is a Perfect Example of the error that I am addressing in this series.

          God bless you as you choose to walk in His Truth, otherwise have fun on Judgment Day.

          • Dave says

            Your sarcastic frase; “otherwise have fun on Judgment Day” really is awful. Is this love and compassion? Reading between the lines it almost seems like you would enjoy that this person will be judged. A word of advice, if you want your message to be heard, always be humble and polite.

          • says

            Maybe you shouldn’t attempt to read between the lines. I won’t/don’t enjoy it when anyone is judged. I’d much rather see them repent and come in line with His Word. As far as “love and compassion” goes, you may or may not have a point. But you conveniently ignored comment of the person I was addressing, which leads me to think that you may agree with her in some way. I’d have you consider that Jesus walked in “love and compassion” in everything He did, including coming down on the Pharisees for elevating themselves and elevating their doctrine over the Word of God. So, as it stands, I’m really not too worried about my comment. She’s going to have to answer for her foolishness.

  6. Michael says

    With all due respect, you are doing nothing here to advance Jesus’ kingdom at all. You are stopping the kingdom from growing at best, or making it shrink at worst. The attacks that you get from people are all because you are attacking ministers and you are causing hurt to their followers, so they are upset. You get what you give. The thing is, there is more to God than the bible. “There wouldn’t even be enough books in the whole world to write about all the miracles Jesus did.” it says in John. Kevin, you know the written word very good, but you don’t know the living Word Who is doing new things in this day and age. And you are missing out on all of it. Sir, if you spent your time on creating something to reach the people who don’t know Jesus at all, you would be very effective. You have a great spirit about you. Get to the root of the negativity and re-think your purpose and I believe God will do amazing things with you to reach those who don’t know Him. I can discern that you are a great man, very gifted, you just need a little bit of a shift to get you on the correct road. Praying for you, blessings.

    • says

      The God of the Bible describes and defines Himself in His Word. As far as all the books that contain all that Jesus did … you bet! He did MANY miracles .. THAT is what would not fill the books. But His definition, character, etc are well spelled out in the existing Word of God.

      Now, you’ve probably been taught to base your relationship to God on whether or not you “think” you hear His Voice, or on whether or not you see any kind of outward signs. The Word says to Love God and to Know God IS to Obey all of His commandments (see 1 John 2:4, 3:2-4, 5:2-3).

      Now, either the Word is “right” …. or your teachers are “right.” With all due respect, I choose to believe the Word.

      To BUILD the Kingdom of God, it must be built on Truth, otherwise it’s not His Kingdom. And, as much as I would like to happily go through life hugging people, telling them how great they are and how much Jesus will look over their sin, the overwhelming influx of deception and lies does not afford me that luxury. A Kingdom based on lies and misdefined terms “positive and encouraging” as well is not His Kingdom.

      Thank you for the positive things that you are saying … but where you and I disagree is the definition of “positive” and/or “negative.” I’m going with what the Word says … you appear to be grasping at unity at the expense of Truth.

      As much as I LOVE the idea of reaching the Lost, I’m not going to introduce them to a compromised Gospel … which is what the majority of the “church” is teaching.

      Peace.

      • Jason says

        You are mistaken. The bible does not define god the father. Your eyes could not see his image nor could your ears hear his name. The totality of existence and knowledge beyond your comprehension are but a breath to him. I don’t know if you are right about elijah list or not, but I know that you are greatly deceived on the strength of your knowledge. The bible was not created to attempt to define the father. The bible is a testimony of his love for us. We were given his son as the word and god as flesh to know. We were then given the Holy Spirit to lead and comfort us. We were never given the authority to define god or hold god accountable to a definition and this misconception is the root of much christian witchcraft. We can plea and pray, but we possess no authority over the creator of all to make him a debtor to our desires, commands or understanding. The fool says if god is all powerful why does he not stop death and sickness? God created the smith that blows the coals and the waster who lays to destroy and he does with them what he will. We don’t owe an apology or an explanation for the things our master does. We would be silly to think that we understand his full purpose in explaining his will and disrespectful to apologize for his will. We can give love and kindness to others. We are not called to have great knowledge and understanding of things, but a lust for this could be a stumbling block. We are best at loving and submitting to the father and all his glory and then loving each other.

        • says

          You can leave God as “undefined” in your outlook …. go for it. And I side with you, to the extent that God will forever be “beyond my comprehension.” However, there is a “REASON” why He gave us His Word, and that is so we can KNOW HIM and RELATE TO HIM on this earth. If YOU want challenge that … be my guest … but I’m not going to entertain the idea. The Word may not contain everything there is to know about our Creator, but it gives us enough information that we CAN be confident in what it says about Him … that’s called Faith in His Word. And, yes, I am, and will continue to be, confident in that.

          To NOT have a foundation, or a “True North” in today’s society is a dangerous thing … that’s what the Elijah List (and the prophetic movement as a whole) are peddling. And that appears to be the mindset that you’re buying into. Do yourself a favor, friend, don’t be a victim of that.

  7. Gary says

    you are a fool. you completely miss the heart and call for the church. you and what you are doing are a small part of the reason people don’t want to be christians. publicly telling our family’s shortcomings is no way to get people to want to come into our family. love covers a multitude of sins. you will 100 percent regret this one day. this is not your calling. you are not the savior to save people from the church’s mistakes or a police man for jesus. this is pathetic. if you used your time ministering to people and trying to bring others into the kingdom, you would be heading toward destiny. wow man, this is one of the biggest mistakes of your life. you say, “no, i do this out of love.” doesn’t matter what you say, you will regret this. i promise you, that you will for sure, without a doubt, 100 percent wish you didn’t do this.

    • Jeanne Theunissen says

      Yes, God is Love, and it is His desire for all Christians to be one in Christ as Christ is one with the Father, but God is also holy and just.. When is the last time you heard a sermon calling for sinners to repent, or a sermon on hell? (By the way, Jesus talked about hell a LOT.) Most preachers these days are afraid of these topics for fear of “turning people off” or “offending” them, and therefore losing popularity.

      Here’s the analogy I always like to use; if you were standing on a highway, and saw a bridge collapse, would you run down the road trying to stop traffic so that the cars wouldn’t plunge into the river and see many people drown or die in the crash, or would you be too afraid of people getting angry at you and thinking you were a lunatic who was only trying to cause trouble and inconvenience?

      How many people today accept Christ as their saviour on the words of all these teachers because of their promises that God will solve all their problems, and make their lives all rosy in the WORLD’S terms? Probably quite a lot. But then, you don’t hear about the ones that fall away just as quickly because what they heard wasn’t the Truth; they still have financial problems, they still have relationship problems, and sometimes they get into even MORE problems because they’ve been told that if they give their money to these ministries, God will bless them. Then, when these “blessings” don’t materialise in the way they were told they would, they lose faith altogether.

      Jesus never promised that following Him would be easy; otherwise He wouldn’t have told us to “take up our cross daily.” The cross certainly is not a pleasant thing. He plainly told his disciples that the world would HATE them, because it hated HIM.. The only way you’re going to truly grow the Kingdom of God is to tell people the WHOLE truth right up front.

      Paul spent a lot of his time writing letters to churches that had allowed false teaching to creep in and correcting them. And he suffered plenty for it. He was thrown into prison, beaten, and finally executed. Are we to do any less?

      Beware of teachers whom the world loves, because if the world loves them, then they are really enemies of God.

  8. b says

    Thank you so much for publishing this, and for your website. I think it’s a very important ministry in this day and age. I used to subscribe to the Elijah list just to watch all the false, aberrant teachings in their “prophecies” because I know many people who have been fooled by this ministry. They eventually quit sending me their prophecies since I never bought any of the products they offered, I presume. Anyway, the lack of knowledge of scripture and theology once for all delivered to the saints is shocking. If it were not for ministries like yours to help people see error and develop discernment these false teachers would go unquestioned and that would be a tragedy. Thank again.

  9. Nancy says

    Thank you for sharing your experience. It is sad the abuse of God’s love and holiness Only the Truth will set people free