My Elijah List Experience
- Elijah List Intro: Prelude to My Story
- Elijah List 1: In the Beginning
- Elijah List 2: First Impressions Crumble
- Elijah List 3: My Experience with Todd Bentley
- Elijah List 4: Dismantling the Wall
- Elijah List 5: Mortar in the Wall
- Elijah List 6: Wicked Roots
- Elijah List 7: Lack of Discernment Has a Price
- Elijah List 8: The Next Generation
- Elijah List 9: My Way Home
- Elijah List 10: Post-Prophetic Rehab – How to Get Back On Track
As of this writing (Feb 2011), it’s been about 3 years since I ended my employment with the Elijah List.
It started around the year 2000. I was working for Hewlett-Packard and, through the grapevine, I learned of this daily email newsletter that published “prophecies” to around 30,000 people. This was back in Elijah List’s “text-only” days, where you received only 1 email per day. At the time, I was going to a “Word of Faith” church and I had a very strong foundation in the Word of God. Still, I knew that there was another element in my Walk with God that I wasn’t experiencing yet. I longed for the Reality of His Presence…. to actually SEE the working of God and to KNOW and EXPERIENCE Him more.
As I daily studied the words that I received from the Elijah List, this desire grew. I grew dissatisfied and frustrated with the church I was attending. “They just don’t GET IT!” I told myself. So I determined in my heart that I would find out where I could learn about this “New Thing” that God was doing and I and my family would be there when God showed up!
At the time, I was listening to our local Christian radio station, and they had an hour of worship where they would play worship music from Vineyard, Morningstar, RevivalNow, etc. Having been exposed to Maranatha, Hosanna Integrity, Ron Kenoly and Hillsongs in the 80′s and 90′s, this new “style” of worship music just sent me soaring. I would sit at my computer and just weep, longing for the intimacy with Jesus that they sang about. The only church in our area that played this kind of music in their services was the Vineyard, the home church of Steve Shultz and most of the people that worked for the Elijah List. As soon as I found this out, I said “Goodbye” to my family at the Word of Faith church and started going to the Vineyard.
I didn’t know what I was getting into.
Elijah List – From Joblessness to Ministry
After going to the new church for a couple weeks, I was laid off of my job at HP. I’m a person that gets really antsy (and annoying) when I don’t have anything to do, so I set out to find a new job as soon as possible.
One Sunday morning, I bumped into Steve and told him how much I appreciated the Elijah List and that, since I had some spare time on my hands, I could help him out with some computer and web work, if he needed it. Long story short … I was hired on at about the same rate as I would have made being on unemployment.
That’s when my life started to unravel.
Elijah List – My First Conference
After I worked at Elijah List for a few months, I attended my first Elijah List prophetic conference at the Vineyard. I know that Bob Jones, Larry Randolph and a guy named Ed Traut (who was later removed from Elijah List’s links page for some unnamed “indiscretion”) were some of the speakers (there were a few more, but they don’t come to mind).
During the conference, the extravagant worship and manifestations were in “full effect”. People were moving, twitching and making various noises in every corner of the building. Although I thought it strange that the worship was way more extreme than your typical Sunday morning at the Vineyard, I didn’t raise the question because I didn’t feel qualified to ask (in my mind, I was just a web guy, not a prophet or one with authority).
After spending a few years going to this church and attending these Elijah List conferences (as well as other “prophetic” conferences), I noticed a pattern emerge, where the worship would grow in intensity and volume during a conference where a “big name” prophet headlined, and then died down again once the conference is over.
I was really amazed at how idolized these “prophets” were in the eyes of the conference go-ers. They sat, literally wide-eyed and drinking in every word that came from the prophet’s mouth like it was the Absolute Truth. Even people who worked for the Elijah List were treated with some degree of idolatry. People came up to us and shook our hand saying things like, “Oh you’re so lucky to be able to work in that anointed atmosphere all the time!” They would hang out and ask us questions incessantly and make it really difficult to work (although the appreciation did give us a boost).
I even had some guy come up to me and beg me to lay hands on him and impart a “webmaster anointing”, so that he could do what I did (which really wasn’t much talent-wise). I told him that it wasn’t an anointing, but that he should just study books and learn the code. But he was insistent, so not wanting to upset him, I laid my hands on him and said a short, polite prayer. From his reaction, you would think that I had shocked him with a cattle prod! He did a few shakes and twitches and hit the floor. I walked off laughing, kind of embarrassed by the whole spectacle.
Let me take a small side road: For the record, I am NOT against supernatural manifestations. I’ve been “slain in the Spirit”, had Holy Laughter hit me and even physically reacted in other ways to the Holy Spirit. Believe me, when God (the Creator of the Universe) touches dirt (you and I), something is going to move. But if God touches us, there is going to be a change, a transformation, a healing of SOME sort. These people who “manifest” outwardly without becoming more and more like Him are NOT under the influence of the Holy Spirit (it’s another kind of spirit). I’ve known several people like this, who can twitch in the middle of WalMart, but have the personality of a troll. They can claim to be in tune with God, but if the fruit of their lives speaks otherwise, they are deceived (or lying).
For the Love of the Search,
Kevin Kleint
Email: kevin@honorofkings.org
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“I’ve been “slain in the Spirit”, had Holy Laughter hit me and even physically reacted in other ways to the Holy Spirit.”
Glad your out of the Elijah list false worship. However, it seems you are still supportive of Word Faith non biblical practices like being “slain in the spirit” and “holy laughter.” These practices are dangerous and are not biblical. I’m sure there are sincere people, like yourself, who believe these things are of the Lord our God. There not. Please know that I’m praying for the truth of God’s Word to be your source. Don’t rely on these supernatural manifestations that are common to pagan worship.
#truth
Oh dear.. I used to help some ministries in translation / editing GOD TV being one of them – I was so excited to be ‘onboard’, so to speak! They seemed so loving, hippy, energetic, full of faith… it all was like a huge privilege.
Fast forward 2008 and the Fakeland Fiasco. I got the newsletter and was supposed to translate all the ‘signs and miracles’ taking place .. could not do so because of the concerns I had. That’s when it became obvious I could not continue to help their ministry or even support it.
It was devastating – so many wonderful testimonies about how God used the Alecs & GOD TV. Don’t know where they stand on these issues today, but in my eyes all of their credibility was lost after they publicly supported Todd Bentley’s actions and doctrines.
There are ‘Foolish Virgins’ my friend.
Now that ‘Wise Virgins’ are sending them on their Way.
Time is short, The Bridegroom comes…
Hi Carol, you need to read the rest of the story before you just hold up the “don’t judge” flag. There are plenty of scripture that talk about judging within (and without) the Body of Christ, see parts 4 and 5 for more info.
I find your articles to be thoughtfully written. I agree with you the word speaks clearly to judge those who call theirselves prophets or apostles and are not. If we don’t keep the church clean of the bad it will taint the good. I think the first mistake people make is looking to prophets instead of looking to God. I myself will tell those who are always wanting a word that they should read their bible.
A Godly prophet will have fruit, in their life and in their ministry. That is the evidence of a true prophet…that the word comes to pass. I think it’s ok to teach a young prophet not to say “thus saith the Lord” unless they are absolutely positive…but to go ahead and speak what they see and feel making it clear that they are not sure if it’s God or not…thus allowing the word to speak for itself, but only after checking it scripturally..if it doesn’t align with the character of God that we learn from the study of His word, then it is wrong.
I think part of the blame must go to the people who put undue pressure on the prophet for a word. The pressure to perform should never move a prophet to step out. These who always look for a word ought to be redirected to seek God. If they would go after God they wouldn’t always need or want a word. Personally I am skeptical of every word spoken to me…I judge it…does it agree with the word of God; does it bear witness; what is the purpose of it; does it’s purpose imply good fruit or bad fruit will grow from the word. The word says for one to prophesy and the others to judge (the word).
I had a man give me a word that agreed with what God had been showing me at that time..but then he told me I would be greater than my husband. What is THAT? Greater than my husband…who is greater than who in the kingdom of God? What fruit could that produce in my life? So I chalked it up to his inexperience and lack of wisdom, and told the devil he would not take root in my life through this wrong word. It was devilish..seeking to divide my household.
As good as your articles are there is little reference to good prophets. The word is clear that he gave some apostles, prophets, evangelist, pastors, teachers for the edifying of the church. So yes if it’s warranted, expose abuses, but don’t throw the baby out with the bath water.
I’m not sure if we are coming into greater deceptions in the church, or if I’m just beginning to see them more the past couple of years…but it’s scary all the weird stuff that’s manifesting in the modern church world. If we don’t have a close walk with Him it seems we leave ourselves open to deception. The days of running after men of God need to come to and end…because so many are decieved through such efforts. As you stated He is a personal God, not second hand. We are to love one another, respect, serve, but not follow blindly…that right belongs only to God.
try the spirit by the spirit and see if of God, God will reveal to you and others true Men and women of God but be careful that you do not judge them. That is not your job God will Judge, But pray for them May God Bless you