Thoughts Inspired by the Passing of Bob Jones

Bob Jones passed away this morning.

bob-jonesThis post isn’t going to discuss whether or not Bob Jones was a true or false prophet, nor is it going to discuss the validity of his ministry and/or whether or not he is in the Kingdom.

Over the next few weeks, you will probably see many other posts, articles and Facebook threads discussing and debating those details.

Instead, I just wanted to share some things that I’ve been pondering on since I read about Bob’s death this morning.  Bob Jones was one of one of the “fathers” of the “prophetic movement.” This “movement,” in my opinion, is one of the main tools of deception that the enemy is using.

But the Truth is … to some degree, we are all guilty of deception and misrepresenting the Master … all of us (including myself).

And the Truth is … if we continue to misrepresent Him, we will not be part of the Kingdom. This is especially true if we have a Call to be a Prophet of the Most High.

God kept Moses, a prophet whom spoke with God face-to-face (Ex. 33:11, Deut. 34:10), out of the Promised Land because He did not represent Him accurately.

Do we really think we can continue down this “prophetic path” and not suffer a similar consequence? So, we need to pose the question:

How can we know if we are representing Him accurately?


How Do We Know If the Prophet is True?

The Word gives us a clear standard to discern whether a prophet is True or False. God gave the standard clear back in Deuteronomy 13:

Deuteronomy 13:1-4

If there arises among you a prophet or a dreamer of dreams, and he gives you a sign or a wonder, and the sign or the wonder comes to pass, of which he spoke to you, saying, ‘Let us go after other gods’- which you have not known – ‘and let us serve them,’ you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams, for the LORD your God is testing you to know whether you love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.

You shall walk after the LORD your God and fear Him, and keep His commandments and obey His voice; you shall serve Him and hold fast to Him.”

Read the above verse closely. The main indicator is whether or not the prophet causes you to stray from the commandments, or keep the commandments.

Even if a so-called prophet has dreams, or performs signs and wonders, you are to pay him/her no mind if they cause you to stray from the commandments of God.

The Bible actually says that this is a test FROM GOD to find out if you truly love Him. This line of reasoning even follows through to the New Testament.

1 John 2:3-4
“Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. He who says, ‘I know Him,’ and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.”

The True Prophets in the Old Testament measured up to the same standard as well.

Lamentations 2:14 AMP
“Your prophets have predicted for you falsehood and delusion and foolish things; and they have not exposed your iniquity and guilt to avert your captivity [by causing you to repent]. But they have divined and declared to you false and deceptive prophecies, worthless and misleading.”

Jeremiah 23:21-22 AMP
I did not send these [false] prophets, yet they ran; I did not speak to them, yet they prophesied. But if they had stood in My council, then they would have caused My people to hear My words, then they would have turned them [My people] from their evil way and from the evil of their doings.”

This is a far cry from the modern day “prophetic movement.”

Criteria for Entering the Kingdom

Having wild dreams and visions … or even being a “sweet old man” is not an assurance of a close walk with God, nor is it a sign that a prophet is in our midst.

Casting out demons and prophesying isn’t a guarantee either.

But the Truth is, most accept a personality like Bob Jones (and the others) in our congregations based upon these criteria because of our dissatisfaction with the mainstream church and our longing for “the supernatural.”

Matthew 7:21-23
“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.

Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?

And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness! [G458]

Man’s criteria for entering the Kingdom is based upon the amount of supernatural acts they can perform. God’s criteria for even knowing you is “Did you follow my commands?”

It Is Time for the True Prophets to Arise!

The destination at the end of the modern-day “prophetic path” should be self-evident by now, to those who are watching and listening.

Luke 6:26
“Woe to you when all men speak well of you, for so did their fathers to the false prophets.”

I sincerely believe that this is a time for those who have a Call to be a “Prophet of Yahweh” to search their hearts.

Are you willing to be scorned, ridiculed and be made an outcast for the sake of speaking the True Word of the Lord? Because I’m telling you right now, the modern day “prophets” are NOT speaking it.

Are you willing to call people back to His commandments?

This is the plumb line to determine if you will be false or True.

So what does this have to do with Bob Jones passing?

The Truth is, I’m not sure … all I know is that this is what came out of my heart when I read the news. Somehow I hope it blessed you and gave you something to think about.

For the Truth,

Kevin Kleint
Email: kevinkleint1@gmail.com

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  1. says

    Excellent article! Here was a little something I wrote with regard to this subject.No matter how ear tickling a so-called “word” or message sounds to our “senses” … i.e. “feelings,” accurate interpretation and application of biblical doctrine should never be sacrificed in favor of “experience” “or “spiritual goose bumps”. Why? Because “experiences” will fade … Very quickly. Whereas … The unadulterated Word (pure and not added to by imagination and “clever” and often erroneous applications) will accomplish its purpose … In the believer’s life… It is the WORD of God that is powerful and sharper than a two edged sword … And if we allow it to, it will do the necessary “surgery” in our lives that is required to walk in daily victory. And, unlike a “feeling or emotional” mini-fix (that’s really not a fix at all) the Word surgery will be successful and genuine spiritual transformation will have taken place. So many are accustomed to getting a routine emotional fix … That they miss out on the daily growth in the Word that is needed… Result – immature, stunted believers …never fully satisfied… Never mature…

  2. Steve says

    Hi Kevin,

    Recently found your website, and glad to have done so! The spirit of Jezebel was mentioned in this thread, but on a search of your site I couldn’t find anything on Balaam. Any thoughts on him and his ways in the modern church?

  3. Michael says

    Kevin,

    You seem to have a good spirit, and a lot of knowledge about the bible.

    But I sense something off with you.

    This website is all about knocking ministries down. There’s very little positive news about these ministers.

    Most of these ministers love God with all their hearts and have done many good things for the body. I haven’t read about you pointing out anything good. It’s mostly all negative.

    It’s like you’re out to get these people. There’s clearly a wound in your soul from a bad experience and it’s totally obvious that your taking some kind of revenge.

    Your Father loves you and Jesus is beautifully in love with you as well as all these ministers you are going after. The bible is a spring board to encountering God. Come to God as a child. It’s ok for us to make mistakes. God just wants us to love Him with all our hearts. You don’t have to get an A on every test with God.

    These ministers put in hours every day spending time with God and so do I. Most of them, if not all, have very pure hearts. God is not a person to point out the negative in people. He believes the best and forgives the flaws. I don’t agree with everything these ministers say. But I have sure experienced God way more in my life because of their ministries and I will honor them, and take in what God wants me to take in. The rest of the stuff I don’t agree with, I will leave alone.

    I hope your heart heals and turns in a different direction because I can tell you have a good spirit in there. I look forward to reading your site with good news on it hopefully in the near future.

    • says

      Ah! Heard the “wounded soul” accusation before.

      While I do appreciate the fact that you’re trying to be polite, the underlying message I’m picking up is that you’re offended that someone would have the audacity to say “something’s wrong here, folks.” The accusation of having a “negative site” shows that you haven’t looked at my past posts in the archive … whether or not you’re offended at the Word of God remains to be seen.

      It’s one thing to make a mistake. It’s another thing entirely to keep making the same mistake over and over again, teach others to do the same, and then lead an entire generation down the drain. To analyze the fruit of these “ministries,” compare it to the Word of God, and expose (if necessary) the error does not violate scripture. It does, however, violate the man-made philosophy of the mainstream “prophetic” church … and quite frankly, I don’t really care about that.

      I will not stay silent.

  4. Ruth says

    I mourn the loss of Bob Jones as a father in the faith who I was privileged to know personally. He came to my and my husband’s home and I went to his home as well as going to the same church. I want to honor him at this time as a man who influenced me to know the love of God my Father in greater measure and to adore His Son Jesus who gave everything for us.

    I want to show respect at this time to the office for Bob was called as a Seer/Prophet and to honor the spiritual gifts that he bestowed on the Body of Christ.

    If you never really knew him I don’t know how you can make accurate judgements….so please just leave the judging to God. My tears are my offering to a man who I loved and I know loved my family and God first.

    • says

      I’ll restate what I’ve stated below. When God lays out plain definitions of what a prophet “is” and “is not” in His Word, the matter is already settled. It needs no further debate.

      I’m not going to debate the issue that Bob may (or may not) have been a nice guy. There are plenty of nice guys. And nice guys can affect many people in many different ways … but the Truth of the Word supersedes any emotion, any soul tie or any deceptive words.

      You obviously had a relationship with someone whom you considered to be a “nice guy” … but even a surface level examination of the Word shows that Bob Jones wasn’t a prophet.

      He was just a man who had supernatural experiences that didn’t line up with the Word. He took those experiences, slapped a “Jesus” sticker on them and told them to the people.

      And people believed him.

  5. jacki says

    The whole thing is so sad, I have many family and friends who are very wrapped up in this prophetic movement, I have lost friends because of our disagreements over Bob Jones, Rick Joyner, Mike Bickle , Bill Johnson , Patricia King and the whole slew of them…I hope they all come into the truth…but for now maybe they can go to the portals that Bob Jones used and they can beam themselves up and visit him?? just saying…..

    • says

      Hahaha … scary! Although talking to dead people is part of their “deal,” so quite honestly, I wouldn’t doubt that someone will soon claim they talked to ole’ Bob.

    • Helge Bubernick says

      I think it is absolutely not about being true or not. Because we are all sinners we all lack the truth somehow. Bob Jones said one thing and this is something very important. He said that the main thing the Lord Jesus would ask is if we did learn to love. Loving the Lord is the most and all important thing. Everything else will be arranged from there and from there alone. Do we love Jesus? Let Him tell us what is right or wrong.

      I think by the death of Bob Jones the world has lost a loving mind. A father and grandfather in Christ.

      • Helge Bubernick says

        I didn’t want to say that we can live a lie or in lie. I mean that we can bring everything to Jesus. Even if we think that things are right. Let him judge it. If we love Jesus he will help us to live in spirit and in truth.

        • says

          When God has given us the Truth in His Word, the matter is already judged. It needs no further debate or consideration. He has already laid out what is right and wrong.

          Bob may have said that “the main thing the Lord Jesus would ask is if we did learn to love” … which, in our modern vernacular would mean … “did you learn how to be nice to everyone” (in all it’s forms) … but God never defined love that way.

          The Word’s definition is:

          1 John 5:2-3
          By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.”

          This is your main indicator if you love God and love people …. simple obedience to the commands His Father already laid out.

          • Tanya says

            I also mourn for friends who are deceived by the spiritual mush from the prophetic “camp”. I prayed over the gathering for his service as broadcast online and was sickened to hear one of the speakers talk of communing with Bob in his final days and ‘receiving’ impartation of the ‘love anointing???’. He then waved a staff over the crowd to release what Bob had to them.. Even an unbeliever would recognize the craft associated with his actions and words, actually creepy. I prayed that ‘portal’ would close and not open again in anyone else who was in that service. Sweet humble and seemingly sincere man, but fully cooperating with demonic forces.

  6. Sharon Weatherly says

    Kevin… Excellent article…. So many have been deceived by the prophetic movement … And most of them have no clue what they’ve gotten into. I’m 3rd generation Pentecostal … One of those “praying moms…”. And a researcher/writer also. Please Keep up the hard work of contending for truth… Sorely needed in this last days generation. Blessings! Sharon

  7. Dan Hoskins says

    ” So what does this have to do with Bob Jones Passing?
    The Truth is, I’m not sure … all I know is that this is what came out of my heart when I read the news. Somehow I hope it blessed you and gave you something to think about.”

    Unless I am mistaken, you are simply pointing out what a true prophet is and is not, and that Bob Jones didn’t fit any of the true prophet criteria. Also since Bob is one of the ‘Founding Fathers’ of the modern prophetic movement, this article intends to show that the roots of this movement are not Biblically founded. So you must know what this article has to do with Bob Jones.

    Although I agree with so much of what you are saying, I will also say that when Jesus was asked to describe Himself to John through John’s Disciples in Matthew 11: 1-5, that Jesus described Himself by the powerful miracles He was performing and said Blessed is He who is not offended at that description of me(my own paraphrase of an obvious intent). Matthew 10 is a record of what Jesus had sent His disciples out to do at the beginning of 11, so the power of God is obviously a part of the Gospel we are to preach. Mark 16: 15-18, and Acts 2 are only further indicators that Jesus wants His Church to walk in His power, although yes it is true as it says in Matthew 7:21-23 Not ‘everyone’ who does these things will enter in to the Kingdom of Heaven.

    The bottom line for me is that spiritual power is not a sign that someone is a believer, however I will never believe that an entire Church full of millions of people worldwide will be total believing followers who follow the commandments of Christ and rarely walk in the power that Jesus COMMANDED us to walk in. So, as messed up as a Church is who walks in spiritism, I also believe a Church that is supposed to be right on the money with all Jesus has commanded and yet they never see the power He commanded us to walk in? Yup, equally messed up to me.

    I think if true Prophets were to rise up, both sides of this issue would be extremely challenged to accept them, and probably wont.

    • says

      This post was written rather quickly during an extended lunch time at work. I did my best to get everything “neat and tidy” … but for some reason, I felt it was a little scattered. All I knew was that I had to get all these thoughts out of my head … hence the somewhat weak closing.

      As far as a believer needing to walk in “power,” I’m with ya Dan. And I in no way wanted to allude to the idea that believers are not to walk in actual “power” these days, I’m just saying that, these days, people have the view that those with the “power” are those who know God. Which is obviously incorrect.

  8. Joyce says

    Excellent article. So right on. Yet so few Charismatics will listen but are immersed in what to me seems very close to witchcraft. They get furious if one tries in the least to warn them.

    We are living in the end days for sure, and how they heap up teachers to fed their lusts for what their flesh wants to hear. As I pray for them, I weep for them…..such blinded minds.

    Thank you for having the courage to tell the truth and expose that which is nothing but false. I am so glad and thankful to be able to get your articles. God is so good.

    • says

      Man … isn’t that the truth? I, too, notice a serious “defensiveness” and even outright “hostility” from them. When talking to them, I don’t even have to talk “against” the prophetic movement … all I have to do is mention what the Word of God says and they come unglued.

  9. Jane says

    Jeremiah 23:21-22 AMP
    “I did not send these [false] prophets, yet they ran; I did not speak to them, yet they prophesied. But if they had stood in My council, then they would have caused My people to hear My words, then they would have turned them [My people] from their evil way and from the evil of their doings.”

    That’s the Key to knowing a false prophet….do these men, as God says, “cause My people to hear My words,”….? Nope, they cause the people to hear the new prophet’s wonderful lies. There is no way you can check what they say with the Bible because what they say is not in the Bible.

    Men like Joel Osteen prophesies wonderful things happening to the people, multitudes of them every week, saying things they love to hear. They don’t want to do as one of your verses said above and be reminded of their sin and need for repentence. Mr. Osteen’s messages are all sugar coated deceptions and his delivery is so….feminine really. I expect to see him appear in a large flowing white robe one of these days.

    I have a friend that listens to every word of these false prophets. We’ve discussed it. When I remind her that I don’t see their prophecies in the Bible she doesn’t care, that means nothing to her. I think she’s a dreamer too. She actually thinks God is giving them these ‘prophecies’. It sickens me.

    Come quickly, Lord Jesus!

    And he will. That thought encourages me daily as I see what’s going on in the ‘religious’ community and in the White House….

  10. says

    Came here to see if you had posted anything concerning Bob Jones passing. You did not disappoint.

    Lately Revelation 2:20, about tolerating Jezebel, has been on my heart. I listened to a David Wilkerson sermon today where he said Jezebel represented false doctrine. He made some very interesting points. Wondered if you had thoughts about that.

    Thanks for your encouragement and truth about prophets.

      • says

        Thank you for the links. I had actually listened to the first video months ago. I really needed to hear it again.

        There is a lot to Jezebel, but David Wilkerson’s point came from scripture interpreting scripture. Revelation 2:20; “…she is teaching and deceiving…”

        Thanks again, Tim, for the backup teaching. I’m needing to make sure I’m hearing GOD after my pastor became defensive when I pointed out that he was excusing his toleration of “jezebel” because people were getting ‘saved’.